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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio cat now

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here's gene Steinberg so as we all know

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Chris O'Brien moved to New York State

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someplace on a mountaintop which is

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connected by dimensional portal to

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Tennessee so we can say he lives on a

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mountaintop no way that's ridiculous

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no it's actually overlooks Pennsylvania

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he doesn't have internet yet so he's off

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the air we've seen in the forms because

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you can do that from your iPhone so he's

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there but until he gets the internet

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sorted out he can't be back on the show

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unfortunately maybe by telephone we'll

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have him come on

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in any case Jay Randall Murphy known as

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usual suspect in our forums is here to

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co-host and our special guest is the one

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the only red pill chunky hiya folks

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delighted to be back at the parka and

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we're just delighted to have you on I

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realized it was short notice

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but I'll tell you what guests we are

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working on - and we all know who this

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guy is and I still don't know he's

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actually going to come on but we got

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close today and we're hopeful for next

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week Rick Doty I don't have to say

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anything listen to this I just say a

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name and these - what was he - Falcon or

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something or which one was he anyway I

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forget at the moment

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sometimes he impersonated the Falcon

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with the Falcon was another guy

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what's funny about this is when I think

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of Falcon I don't think of some kind of

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wacky character in the UFO field I think

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of a literary character hmm which one

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there were

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radio and TV shows featuring the Falcon

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okay I mean they've been several Falcons

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okay mm-hmm the original one I think was

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from the 1940s a freelance adventure and

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troubleshooter and they wrote a bunch of

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novels George Sanders actor known in the

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40s 30s and 40s played the Falcon and

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like a really common name right that

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sort of thing right and since I grew up

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with radio not that old of course but

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since I grew up with radio I thought of

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that before I thought of the bird or the

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connection now Rick Doty I will tell you

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that he was not been easy to get to come

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on and we only have to see who will pair

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him with you know because I want to get

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an accurate picture of what she's been

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doing mm-hmm that should be good I mean

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he's all about disinformation and

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sleight of hand and making people think

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one thing when it's really something

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different yeah okay so here we he was

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here according to to this he was acted

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as the Falcon to protect the identity of

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the real Falcon reported to be a special

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agent in the Air Force so and he was in

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there in this that's part of that whole

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aviary thing that was going on with

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Gilmore and shunned era and Friedman

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mmm-hmm so yeah that could be an

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interesting show Jean well we're gonna

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see now I asked Greg Bishop if he'd come

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on but Greg says Dodi doesn't like him

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so I know what about Friedman Stanton

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Friedman you know because he is part of

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this whole aviary thing that might be an

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interesting discussion well you know

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folks here's what's gonna happen we may

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or may not have Rick Doty on next week's

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episode but we'll find somebody suitable

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I hope to play partner also be a

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suitable guest you know definitely yeah

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he'd be the guy to get in there because

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well actually

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the page I'm looking at right now was

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actually written by Grant Cameron so

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he's got some background knowledge of

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that whole thing all right before we go

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on I wanted to bring up something I've

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sent you both copies of this press

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release and the headline is from someone

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named Rob wheat who I assume is a PR

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agent entrepreneurs crowdfund

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International extraterrestrial exhibit

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and okay all right you know everybody

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has something and when what does it say

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when a boarding pass for life now the

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people who were supposedly involved here

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someone named Michael's a wiki and Gary

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Lane and red pill junky doesn't know who

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they are I don't know who they are

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do you Randall no I I don't know who

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these people are and I'm not as much a

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walking trivia book as to all of these

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people either as some of the other kind

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of experts out there but you know this

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looks like a yeah it looks like a

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crowdfunding campaign to do something

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kind of fun with you apology exhibit I

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guess also they're so experience of this

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why they only need $40,000 yeah this is

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it you know it's not pie that these

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people don't really have any substantial

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experience in UFO field although they

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claim to have more than 70 combined

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years in the entertainment business but

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they can't raise $40,000 yes

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something it sounds remind you know what

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reminds me this off

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the guy who used to drive around with

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his fake Bigfoot corpse no it's

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something that's escaped my attention

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and that's probably a good thing no and

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trying to

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log into their IndieGoGo campaign and I

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don't know it doesn't appear

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I guess that campaign is over before it

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started it's been abducted there's so

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much going on out there that's related

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to ufology is it's just a cultural

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phenomenon any there's no possible way

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for people to be able to keep track of

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the whole thing so you know we're always

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going to be able to find someone who's

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just having fun with it other people are

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making fun of it other people who are

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taking it seriously and that's why it'll

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never be a science it's it's a cultural

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phenomenon it doesn't fit into the

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confines of the scientific method but

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it's still a really interesting and I

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was proposing on the forums fairly

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recently then instead of trying to keep

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pushing it as science we should maybe

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look at it from the point of view of the

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humanities where it's it's a much wider

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realm that takes in all sorts of things

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you need to start with ufology at the

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top and and you can go into ufology

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Studies on one side for the more serious

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part in the ufology culture on the other

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side and the culture side gets right

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down into the arts and the entertainment

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and you know the whole kinds of stuff

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the philosophy and ecology studies that

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gets into the fieldwork so maybe a

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different approach what do you think of

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that well yeah I see I see that the

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logic in that Randall I mean right now

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it seems that you've ology seems to be

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closer to the social sciences like

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anthropology and psychology than the

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quote-unquote hard sciences like

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mathematics chemistry and physics yet on

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the other hand we can look back at the

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things that been going on on those

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social sciences that I've just mentioned

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for example psychology and see how you

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know there was a time when you know

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there were all sorts of

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theories you know like the ones proposed

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by the likes of Carl Jung or Freud and

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they were kind of like you either bought

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into them or you didn't but kind of like

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you they there wasn't a way to test them

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but then came you know a revolution in

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in which these young academics wanted to

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test you know all these theories you

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know so psychology is entered into a

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stage of Experimental Psychology guys

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let's continue in our next segment sure

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all right Jamie Randall Murphy's our

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internet red pill junkies are guests

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looking at the UFO field as a cultural

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phenomenon as opposed to scientific but

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then we're all begging or at least a lot

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of people in the UFO field are begging

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for the UFO phenomenon to be considered

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seriously by scientists and these are

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the people who believe UFOs are

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spaceships so if that's the wrong

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science isn't that interesting I think

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it's more important that we focus

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gaining respect for the field from an

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academic perspective as opposed to a

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strictly scientific perspective within

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academia the sciences are certainly one

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faculty but we also have the humanities

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which takes in a wide range of

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disciplines and studies that is much

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more suited to what ufology is about in

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a real sense today it's no longer simply

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about investigating sightings and trying

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to get evidence that can be

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scientifically examined it's everywhere

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and it's fascinating to study how it's

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impacted modern culture regarding the

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phenomena being taken seriously by

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academics I think that's the case you

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know that I think that more academic

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than we believe actually take this

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phenomenon very seriously on orally

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there are not may be brave enough to

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actually go out in public and state they

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say interest because of the way that

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academia handles itself you know there's

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if you put for example don't have tenure

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you know are into these pressure of

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going into this cycle of publish or

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perish and you're trying to get grants

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the least thing you want to do is kind

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of like show yourself as this maverick

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you know or this iconic class who goes

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into topics that are yet from the pond

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by mainstream society and yet this

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mockery that we used to witness inmates

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in mainstream media well you know we

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have to admit it this is starting to

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slowly a roll you know as much as I

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would hate to admit it but that New York

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Times articles of last year Kanak

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started to make an interesting ripple

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effect in mainstream media and as a

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result of that some academicians who

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used to mock the phenomenon are started

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to think that maybe this is something

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that they could you know look into it

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for example great Bishop last year in

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interviewed Diana Walsh asuka who is

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like an omission I think she is involved

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in comparative studies of religion and

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remember in which university but his her

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upcoming book American cosmic is going

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to be published by Oxford University

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Press anyway she told this anecdote of

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one of her colleagues who used to teach

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her and and mock her because she was

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interested into the UFOs and after the

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New York Times article was published she

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received a call from this the same guy

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asking her if she will be interested in

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joining him in some kind of like study

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or trying to create some kind of like

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academic group to try to go into getting

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into the study of UFOs and she amusingly

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said get lost you know like you had your

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chance buster it's a small example but I

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think it's a good one that academicians

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are are prone to change their attitude

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if they see that there is a change in

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the culture and there is you're

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absolutely right we've seen an

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incredible shift in the media attitude

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ever since this to the Stars Academy

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thing has come out and I think it's

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really good but but how do we keep that

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going and when we still got the skeptics

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breathing down our neck and and trying

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to tear that down as quickly as possible

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that's my question

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well the skeptic movement is I perceive

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that it's fracturing all by itself you

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know Richard Dawkins and all these guys

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that used to have so much clout in the

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media don't have that clout anymore I

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mean Richard Dawkins pretty much his

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worst enemy right now I mean people who

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used to admire him now cringe every time

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he you know tweets something that turns

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out to be either my surgeon east or a

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casino phobic or against Muslims so you

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know he kind of like he started to be

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relegated by the skeptics movement and

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another you know leaders of the skeptic

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movies are also in hot waters I just

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read an article and ambass feed about

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Lawrence Krauss

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who with dockings produced these

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documentary the unbelievers and he

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before that he was a very respected

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popularizer of science because of his

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books like the science of our Star Trek

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and now he's been accused of sexual

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misconduct sexual sexual abuse so I

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don't see the skeptic moving movement

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being as powerful as as they were like

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10 years ago but on the other hand what

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I'm seeing is this other new like forum

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groups of skeptics like the Roswell

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research team you know the guys who

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managed to uncover the truth behind the

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infamous Roswell slides in like I don't

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know less than for 48 hours and there

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are other forums that managed to also

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debunk that chilean UFO video that was

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promoted by Leslie Kean last year I

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remember the metal Punk I think was this

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this group so I've seen that I'm seeing

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this new approach to skepticism that I

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actually embraced and I'm welcome now

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this up crowd crowdsourcing open open

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sourced way of sharing knowledge of

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people going and cracking something that

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apparently is unsolvable and these guys

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are very smart and they managed to solve

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cases very rapidly some of these groups

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are actually there including people who

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are genuinely interested in the UFO

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phenomena as well you could call them

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skeptical youth ologists they're

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actually a really good collaboration

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between the what's traditionally been

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the skeptics on one side and ufologists

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on the other yeah I think what we need

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is actually those groups in which we

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have like we will call little esque

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skeptics you know people who are not

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like fundamentalist in their in their

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way of looking at things you know

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they're they're not there to merely

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debunk or even Wars you know to belittle

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and mock people who actually take this

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matter seriously and on the other hand

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we want people on the other side on the

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so-called believer side that are not

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zealots they're not trying to prove

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that UFOs are extraterrestrial craft

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coming from some planet in the galaxy or

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whatever and and and trying to go and

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prove or support that agenda because

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that their agenda is right now I see it

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as dogma you know I mean I don't see

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sounds like a song that sounds like a

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familiar with rpj when I ask a quick

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question which he's answered ten

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thousand times all right how did you

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pick the name red pill junky of all the

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names that you could pick the thought

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Brooks process is kind of like a mystery

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to me if you look the same way that

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every pink but creative or every idea

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that pops into your head what I can tell

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you is that when I was younger I became

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really obsessed with the books written

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by Carlos Castaneda you know all these

605
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that the teachings of Don Juan a

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separate reality tales of our journey to

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explan I really thought there was

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something of incredible value into those

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narratives and even though today if you

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ask me if I believe those stories were

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actually true I will say that probably

612
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the world and that probably is what they

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were all fictional and there were all

614
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the result of Castanias imagination and

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even though I say that you know more

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power to him because the stories I think

617
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they still carry a lot of value

618
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especially with regards to the

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philosophy he imparts but anyway when I

620
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read that and then when I went to watch

621
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the movie the matrix you know in 1999 I

622
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:07,030
found so many parallels and correlations

623
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:10,420
between the Castaneda's books and this

624
00:29:16,530 --> 00:29:12,790
also fictional story by the Wachowski

625
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brothers that I you know who don't pass

626
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:19,750
that away you know and as a result

627
00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:23,440
realize that the matrix is just another

628
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:27,070
retelling of the age-old tale of

629
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Gnosticism the idea that this world is

630
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kind of like an illusion maybe even a

631
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:35,800
prison if you want to think about it

632
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:38,530
that way the only way to try to escape

633
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:40,690
that prison is first you know realizing

634
00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:43,000
that it's an illusion and Lane trying to

635
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:45,880
use that knowledge into finding a way to

636
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:47,830
the truth you know that's that's the way

637
00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:49,870
that that's the thing that the Gnostics

638
00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:52,420
used to tell us thousands of years ago

639
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and and and those teachings are found in

640
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in the scrolls that were found in the

641
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NAG Hammadi library and also if I

642
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:04,840
believe that philip k dick his books and

643
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:07,930
his and his stories society stories were

644
00:30:13,650 --> 00:30:10,930
also very heavily into Gnosticism so i

645
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don't know i feel that all of these is

646
00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:17,350
kind of correlated and that's why I view

647
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:19,990
myself are something of a modern modern

648
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:22,090
nasty I'm really glad you asked a

649
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:24,490
question gene actually and when you're

650
00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:27,730
mentioning the matrix I know just about

651
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:30,100
everybody knows what that is but for you

652
00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:32,530
know the few that don't that was a 1999

653
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:35,380
science fiction action film by the

654
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Wachowski brothers with Keanu Reeves and

655
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,200
Laurence Fishburne and carrie-anne moss

656
00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:42,640
hailed by some as one of the best movies

657
00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:45,220
ever made it's set in a dystopian future

658
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:47,020
in which most of the human race has been

659
00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:49,690
unknowingly turned into power supplies

660
00:30:54,660 --> 00:30:52,420
for their machine overlords and I say

661
00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:54,670
unknowingly because their minds are

662
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:56,710
plugged into a simulated reality called

663
00:31:02,610 --> 00:30:59,170
the matrix and this opens up a whole

664
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:02,620
arena of philosophical discussions that

665
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:04,810
you've just mentioned about the reality

666
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:07,690
of our universe and the nature of

667
00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:10,150
consciousness one of which involves this

668
00:31:16,170 --> 00:31:12,700
red pill which has become a symbol in

669
00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:16,180
counter culture for a preference for

670
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:19,540
knowing the disturbing truth rather than

671
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,450
remaining comfortably ignorant this is

672
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:24,880
where I think you know when you say red

673
00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:27,210
pill junky you you must have this

674
00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:31,960
undying need to know the truth at all

675
00:31:34,390 --> 00:31:32,780
costs

676
00:31:37,090 --> 00:31:34,400
kind of thing this is what it says to me

677
00:31:38,890 --> 00:31:37,100
have I got that kind of right yeah

678
00:31:41,620 --> 00:31:38,900
you're cut you got it right I mean that

679
00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:41,630
to me because in the movie you know I'm

680
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:43,640
well spoiler or at the eyes but then

681
00:31:48,670 --> 00:31:46,850
again some of it it's it's old enough

682
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:48,680
now I think we can talk about it yeah

683
00:31:54,970 --> 00:31:51,710
exactly so the the hero of the story

684
00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:54,980
Neal is giving these choice between

685
00:32:00,340 --> 00:31:58,100
having a blue peel and the red peel and

686
00:32:02,620 --> 00:32:00,350
there the choice of the red peel is that

687
00:32:06,670 --> 00:32:02,630
you will be awakened

688
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,680
so the real truth of the world which

689
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:08,960
also means that whatever happens you

690
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:11,960
cannot go back you cannot go back to the

691
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,930
things that used to be for the things

692
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:17,360
they how they were to your home and

693
00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:21,650
that's the choice and I guess to put

694
00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:23,540
myself the name red pill junky what's

695
00:32:27,220 --> 00:32:24,920
kind of like you know obviously it's a

696
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,230
tongue-in-cheek the kind of like saying

697
00:32:34,150 --> 00:32:29,120
okay so this is the guy that's so stupid

698
00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:34,160
or so numb or or sleep asleep that only

699
00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:36,350
one peel is not enough you know you keep

700
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:38,840
you have to keep eating him a red pill

701
00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:41,270
every every so often otherwise he will

702
00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:43,460
forget he will forget that he's in the

703
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:45,740
matrix that's actually true I mean we

704
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:48,740
keep forgetting so I feel that once in a

705
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:51,830
while you know it stuff happens in our

706
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:52,940
daily lives

707
00:32:59,320 --> 00:32:55,910
stuff like the UFO phenomena and I feel

708
00:33:02,170 --> 00:32:59,330
that the main purpose of those phenomena

709
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:02,180
is to keep reminding us hey guys you

710
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:04,370
know this world that you think you're

711
00:33:09,010 --> 00:33:06,620
living in it's not what you think that

712
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:09,020
you are living in you know it's another

713
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:11,150
thing you really don't have a full grasp

714
00:33:17,020 --> 00:33:14,570
of reality the problem now with the term

715
00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:17,030
red peel is that unfortunately I've seen

716
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:20,740
that it's been kind of like hijacked by

717
00:33:28,570 --> 00:33:26,050
groups of which I have no kind of like

718
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:28,580
relation I don't I don't want to be

719
00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:30,650
related to them I'm talking about these

720
00:33:36,370 --> 00:33:34,220
guys of the men's rights movement which

721
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:36,380
is kind of like the stupidest thing I've

722
00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:40,010
ever heard and also I see people on the

723
00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:43,670
kind of like the extreme right size of

724
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:45,590
the politics who also use them at

725
00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:47,210
for it's kind of like makes me

726
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:48,950
uncomfortable like seeing why are these

727
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,610
guys messing up with my brand but I

728
00:33:56,830 --> 00:33:54,799
don't know whatever you know well

729
00:33:59,980 --> 00:33:56,840
they're just co-opting it and exploiting

730
00:34:02,080 --> 00:33:59,990
it for their own political gain it's

731
00:34:04,990 --> 00:34:02,090
it's a bit of an irony in a way because

732
00:34:07,299 --> 00:34:05,000
in terms of symbolism for counterculture

733
00:34:10,419 --> 00:34:07,309
it means exactly the opposite it means

734
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:10,429
to recognize the control systems and to

735
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:14,020
be able to break free from our

736
00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:16,310
socialization and our comfort zones

737
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:21,230
think outside the box yeah so you know

738
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:22,790
not going back I seem to remember a

739
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:24,649
scene in in the matrix where you've got

740
00:34:30,810 --> 00:34:27,530
the character cypher and he's he's

741
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:30,820
meeting with one of the agents that are

742
00:34:36,849 --> 00:34:33,649
inside the matrix because you know he's

743
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:36,859
a double crosser and he's made a deal to

744
00:34:44,919 --> 00:34:40,879
be reinserted back into the matrix and

745
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:44,929
he he says at one point ignorance is

746
00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:48,889
bliss and that's what it's about if you

747
00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:50,780
just want to conform to your

748
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:53,869
socialization and society then you can

749
00:34:58,570 --> 00:34:56,570
live in this sort of ignorant bliss like

750
00:35:00,520 --> 00:34:58,580
state where you get your regular

751
00:35:02,740 --> 00:35:00,530
paycheck and go about your business as

752
00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:02,750
usual but as soon as you start to think

753
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:04,820
deeper soon as you take that red pill

754
00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:07,730
and start to look behind the facade you

755
00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:11,080
start to see a whole different world and

756
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:14,780
that's what it's really about I think

757
00:35:21,010 --> 00:35:17,800
and so and also what you do with that

758
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:21,020
you know because well there's one thing

759
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:24,170
is that being aware that there's this

760
00:35:29,890 --> 00:35:26,690
other world but there's another thing to

761
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:29,900
try to actually actively act upon your

762
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,440
life with that knowledge in mind first

763
00:35:38,349 --> 00:35:35,839
because like for example cypher you know

764
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:38,359
yeah the guy knows the truth he knows

765
00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:40,970
that he that that the matrix is an

766
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:43,640
illusion he's it's a prison enslaving

767
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:49,520
humanity but it's too inconvenient for

768
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:52,010
him so this he prefers to go back to

769
00:35:58,420 --> 00:35:54,410
sleep and I feel it's like those guys

770
00:35:59,559 --> 00:35:58,430
who took a whole lot of acid up when

771
00:36:02,170 --> 00:35:59,569
they were younger you know

772
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:02,180
and they managed to see you know the

773
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:05,089
strings that were being pulled in the

774
00:36:10,180 --> 00:36:07,729
fabric of society but then you know I

775
00:36:13,569 --> 00:36:10,190
they grow older and say well yeah now

776
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,579
it's time to get a job get a mortgage

777
00:36:18,459 --> 00:36:16,400
you know play the game I know it's a

778
00:36:21,069 --> 00:36:18,469
game I know it they're there I'm being

779
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,079
played in it but I just want to have you

780
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:23,839
know my nice condo with my flat screen

781
00:36:29,319 --> 00:36:26,690
and my suburban lifestyle and I think

782
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,329
that's that's the tragedy that many

783
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:31,599
people many people leave on nowadays

784
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:34,130
we're going to live our tragedy if we

785
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:37,390
don't do this break with red pill junky

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NJ Randall Murphy you're in the para

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893
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junky about the apparent relationship

894
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between near-death experiences and UFO

895
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abductions and I remember this because I

896
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said can you give me a thousand or 2,000

897
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words and he said sure and I guess he

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forgot how to count because he gave me

899
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what five thousand words or six thousand

900
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ways yeah it's like he's running a

901
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little bit late he gets it to me and I'm

902
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looking at the beginning and I'm

903
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scrolling through it and I'm scrolling

904
00:42:09,490 --> 00:42:06,350
through it I'm scrolling through it I

905
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:09,500
just kept going it's not it's not

906
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:10,430
repeating itself

907
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,510
he's got references and bulleted lists

908
00:42:22,660 --> 00:42:19,520
anyway and I think it's one of the best

909
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features we've ever run and I like this

910
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:24,950
guy more and more that his amazing brain

911
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:27,530
with or without a psychedelic I have no

912
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:29,630
idea has come up with this sort of stuff

913
00:42:34,810 --> 00:42:33,200
and in our correspondence deciding what

914
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:34,820
we talked about today and as you see we

915
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have almost a third of the episode is

916
00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:37,880
done and we haven't had a problem

917
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:39,350
figuring out what to talk about

918
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,410
but you mentioned a resemblance or

919
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:44,960
connection between psychedelic

920
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:49,130
experiences and UFO experiences how so

921
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:49,640
sir

922
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:52,880
well it's something that I've been given

923
00:42:59,050 --> 00:42:56,450
a lot of thoughts in the last few years

924
00:43:03,730 --> 00:42:59,060
I do find these correlations you know

925
00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:03,740
because both experiences can be either

926
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:08,350
the most transcendental life-altering

927
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:11,870
experience of your whole life as can be

928
00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:15,290
you know when you watch the life of

929
00:43:21,010 --> 00:43:17,630
people like I don't know Travis Walton

930
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:21,020
or people who have have those Close

931
00:43:25,570 --> 00:43:23,750
Encounters of the Third Kind or over

932
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:25,580
like for example those police officers

933
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:28,880
who chase down the UFO and as a result

934
00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:32,210
their life became a living hell or

935
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:35,870
sometimes it's changed for the better or

936
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:38,210
it can be something that it's of no

937
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:40,730
consequence or transcendence whatsoever

938
00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:41,390
like

939
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:44,900
I mean I have family relatives who have

940
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,290
told me yeah I once saw this thing and I

941
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,480
know and it was pretty close and it was

942
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:52,160
like a triangle and yeah what's

943
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:54,140
interesting yeah you know hey what's for

944
00:44:00,190 --> 00:43:57,680
dinner and the same way that you know

945
00:44:02,910 --> 00:44:00,200
people double with psychedelics and you

946
00:44:06,310 --> 00:44:02,920
know in a recreated recreational way and

947
00:44:08,260 --> 00:44:06,320
some people you know change forever you

948
00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:08,270
know like for example Richard Alpert

949
00:44:14,530 --> 00:44:11,540
which Robert was this school you know

950
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:14,540
academician and I think it was with her

951
00:44:18,970 --> 00:44:16,730
with Timothy Timothy Leary in Harvard

952
00:44:20,490 --> 00:44:18,980
and after ours a result of his you know

953
00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:20,500
dabbling with LSD

954
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:23,780
she became randa's he became you know a

955
00:44:29,050 --> 00:44:26,930
guru for the new age you know a total

956
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,060
different person and also if you keep

957
00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:32,240
that the same thing the same compound to

958
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:33,950
another person like for example Charles

959
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:37,790
Manson he becomes cult leader of these

960
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:41,990
you know murderers of gangsters that

961
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,440
made these horrible murders I don't know

962
00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:48,560
how many years ago that that we will now

963
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:50,600
see in a movie that directed by Quentin

964
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:53,990
Tarantino so I'm interested in that I'm

965
00:44:59,500 --> 00:44:55,660
just interested in the transcendental

966
00:45:01,930 --> 00:44:59,510
aspect of these experiences and I do

967
00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:01,940
feel you know there maybe there's

968
00:45:07,690 --> 00:45:04,670
something there are more things

969
00:45:10,540 --> 00:45:07,700
uniting those experiences than we might

970
00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:10,550
think of well I think the problem with

971
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:14,060
UFOs in general even abductions is we

972
00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:16,130
look at it with one lens in that lens

973
00:45:22,990 --> 00:45:20,660
says physical event and because it's a

974
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:23,000
physical event we really do have

975
00:45:28,210 --> 00:45:25,490
spaceships landing here and the entities

976
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:28,220
from said spaceships kidnapping humans

977
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:32,210
over and over again as if they have

978
00:45:38,350 --> 00:45:34,090
nothing better to do maybe it's like

979
00:45:44,070 --> 00:45:38,360
dissecting frogs in a high school or

980
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:44,080
elementary school lab where you have to

981
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:47,900
get through that test to go to the next

982
00:45:53,110 --> 00:45:50,720
grade or something so this way what do

983
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:53,120
the aliens especially the young aliens

984
00:45:55,260 --> 00:45:54,770
the alien children have to do what they

985
00:45:58,620 --> 00:45:55,270
have to

986
00:46:00,980 --> 00:45:58,630
kidnap some Earthlings and perform some

987
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:00,990
painful primitive experiments on them

988
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:03,550
sure as soon as they perform the

989
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:05,470
primitive experiments they graduate that

990
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:09,070
class hmm right I mean it's just as

991
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:12,790
possible as anything else it's a model

992
00:46:17,940 --> 00:46:14,920
that we can use it in order to try to

993
00:46:19,859 --> 00:46:17,950
make sense of something that really

994
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:19,869
makes no sense at all you know I mean

995
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:23,890
just how many frogs do they need to cut

996
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:27,070
in order for the young student to pass

997
00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:29,020
to pass the test you know how many times

998
00:46:34,109 --> 00:46:31,900
they need to keep doing that and as in

999
00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:34,119
time the same way that with psychedelics

1000
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:38,320
there's this problem of trying to put a

1001
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:41,610
line in the sign and between what's the

1002
00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:45,580
external or the exoteric experience and

1003
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:47,950
the internal or esoteric experiences you

1004
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,190
know where does the boundary lie and as

1005
00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:53,680
I grow old or I feel that that boundary

1006
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:56,200
is not only arbitrary sometime maybe

1007
00:47:02,040 --> 00:46:58,619
it's you know meaningless and useless

1008
00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:02,050
like for example let's talk about the

1009
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:05,100
abduction let's talk about for example

1010
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:09,040
people who are convinced that aliens put

1011
00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:11,350
some kind of implant metallic implant

1012
00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:13,750
into their bodies to do whatever

1013
00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:16,300
nefarious thing on tracking them

1014
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:19,750
controlling their mind whatever let's

1015
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:22,530
look into other phenomena like you know

1016
00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:28,210
stigmata in in Christian mystics like

1017
00:47:34,170 --> 00:47:31,990
some francis of assisi or father Pio and

1018
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:34,180
stigmata for people who don't know what

1019
00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:35,200
it what it is

1020
00:47:45,090 --> 00:47:40,980
it's wounds that appear in your hands or

1021
00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:45,100
maybe in your feet or also you maybe

1022
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:50,230
even in your in your torso that seem to

1023
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:53,590
mimic the wounds that Jesus Christ

1024
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,770
received when he was nailed into the

1025
00:48:02,490 --> 00:47:59,760
cross at the moment of his death and

1026
00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:02,500
nowadays parapsychologists are fully

1027
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:04,900
convenes you know that this is something

1028
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:08,610
that is the result of the the

1029
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:11,370
power of suggestion of the mind but then

1030
00:48:16,340 --> 00:48:14,220
again you know you say that as if you

1031
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:16,350
solve that solve it but you only you

1032
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:18,510
know put a label on it you're talking

1033
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:21,000
about the mind being so powerful that it

1034
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:24,090
can literally rip over the tissue of

1035
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:27,270
your skin and your veins and create

1036
00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:30,720
these gosh in a very precise manner into

1037
00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:33,390
your valley and if and if your body can

1038
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:36,060
do that what's to say that it can also

1039
00:48:42,740 --> 00:48:38,520
can't also create some kind of like

1040
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:42,750
small deposit of material in some place

1041
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:45,480
inside of your skin and it makes to

1042
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:48,150
convince you that is actually an alien

1043
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:51,420
implant that were was put doing one of

1044
00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:54,900
your abductions what if it's even if an

1045
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,700
alien implant is almost akin to what in

1046
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:02,400
parapsychology is called and a port a

1047
00:49:09,830 --> 00:49:07,170
port are these physical objects that can

1048
00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:09,840
be of any kind of material you know

1049
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:12,780
there are metal ones crystalline ones

1050
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:15,890
whatever and these ports are

1051
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:19,740
materialized by psychics at will you

1052
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:21,170
know and this is something that

1053
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:24,300
apparently even the Chinese and the CIA

1054
00:49:32,330 --> 00:49:27,300
have studied a study at length and its

1055
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,340
exponent about the untapped power of the

1056
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,280
human mind and and something that maybe

1057
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:37,680
we should be more interested about that

1058
00:49:45,460 --> 00:49:41,640
that in trying to come up with ways to

1059
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:45,470
explain why aliens are conducting these

1060
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:49,440
human hybridization program that has

1061
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:51,900
been going on since god-knows-where in

1062
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:53,490
the seventies and 90s

1063
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,610
and what is their ultimate end goal you

1064
00:50:02,240 --> 00:49:59,520
know to me talking about those kind of

1065
00:50:05,540 --> 00:50:02,250
stories you know what I find them so

1066
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:05,550
boring nowadays well I think what's

1067
00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:06,810
boring to me

1068
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:08,700
a lot of people here is just looking at

1069
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:10,530
the same old sightings over and over

1070
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:13,170
again and not saying anything there that

1071
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,780
provides a significant new fact this

1072
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,480
goes back of course to this Pentagon UFO

1073
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:20,400
study we haven't talked to you about

1074
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:22,650
that Miguel and that

1075
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:25,890
is that it didn't really produce

1076
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:28,260
anything new maybe a few sightings we

1077
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,450
hadn't heard before but there are always

1078
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,880
sightings we haven't heard about in fact

1079
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,680
the other day

1080
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:36,720
Kevin Randle had a blog where he's been

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looking into information about Project

1082
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:41,790
Blue Book where some records or indexes

1083
00:50:46,310 --> 00:50:43,800
of sightings don't have a corresponding

1084
00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:46,320
entry and he's trying to see if their

1085
00:50:50,540 --> 00:50:48,270
sightings that we don't know about but

1086
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:50,550
at the end of the day it's gonna be the

1087
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:52,610
same thing this can be more sightings

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00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:53,850
hmm

1089
00:50:58,610 --> 00:50:55,800
sometimes intriguing details sometimes

1090
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,620
lights in the sky anything involving the

1091
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Air Force there will be and shall we say

1092
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:04,410
an overwrought attempt to assume that

1093
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:07,380
these things are not real yeah so we're

1094
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:09,900
back to where we started we can either

1095
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,640
say these cases aren't real and prove

1096
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:13,920
that we can find cases that appear to be

1097
00:51:20,330 --> 00:51:18,210
real but we can't prove what it is and

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what they are yeah we've got red pill

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junky J Randall Murphy's our guest

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creates the illusion someone inside is

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watching TV even with your miles away

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be part of your security solution be

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[Music]

1154
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:00,000
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

1156
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:12,850
here's Jane Steinberg I don't know where

1157
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:15,250
it is and Miguel's taking there but I'd

1158
00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:18,790
like a couple of bottles of it really do

1159
00:54:24,660 --> 00:54:20,470
you even read about sightings anymore

1160
00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:24,670
Miguel not really maybe from all the

1161
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:27,160
books and the occasional thing that

1162
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:29,770
appears on the internet obviously as a

1163
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:31,690
news administrator on for The Daily

1164
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:34,630
Grail I do need to keep my nose to the

1165
00:54:38,910 --> 00:54:37,630
ground to see what's what's new okay

1166
00:54:42,090 --> 00:54:38,920
well here's something you might be

1167
00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:42,100
interested in then back in October last

1168
00:54:48,450 --> 00:54:46,630
year 2017 about 4:30 p.m. near the

1169
00:54:50,490 --> 00:54:48,460
California Oregon border there is a

1170
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:50,500
mystery aircraft they don't know it was

1171
00:54:54,570 --> 00:54:52,810
an aircraft or exactly what it was but

1172
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:54,580
it was spotted visually by airline

1173
00:55:01,310 --> 00:54:57,780
pilots and tracked on radar not with a

1174
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:01,320
transponder but just like a rogue

1175
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:03,910
aircraft they call it an intruder and it

1176
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:05,490
was traveling north to south between

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00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:08,110
locales in California and Nevada and

1178
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,850
cities like Portland in Seattle and

1179
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:12,160
beyond it was recorded on air traffic

1180
00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:14,770
control audio and eventually got

1181
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:17,470
confirmations from both the FAA and

1182
00:55:20,610 --> 00:55:18,670
NORAD

1183
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,620
there's audio recordings of this

1184
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:22,720
indicates many communications between

1185
00:55:28,110 --> 00:55:26,170
various passenger jets and the Seattle

1186
00:55:30,450 --> 00:55:28,120
Center whose controllers tried to track

1187
00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:30,460
it as it made its way north towards the

1188
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:32,740
Willamette Valley and NORAD also said

1189
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:34,810
that the incident eventually did result

1190
00:55:39,450 --> 00:55:37,180
in f-15s from Portland being scrambled

1191
00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:39,460
to investigate but by the time they got

1192
00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:41,380
there and looked around the mystery

1193
00:55:47,580 --> 00:55:44,800
aircraft couldn't be found now f-15s are

1194
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:47,590
pretty sophisticated pieces of machinery

1195
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:49,690
that can get places really fast and

1196
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:53,770
detect things very accurately at long

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00:55:58,590 --> 00:55:55,690
distances and you don't get away from

1198
00:56:02,970 --> 00:55:58,600
them very easily so whatever this thing

1199
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:02,980
was it was something fairly unusual we

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00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:06,190
don't know that it was a UFO it may have

1201
00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:08,080
just been some sort of secret spy plane

1202
00:56:11,309 --> 00:56:09,190
from another kind

1203
00:56:13,819 --> 00:56:11,319
but nobody seems to know what it was and

1204
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:13,829
I found it very interesting that this

1205
00:56:18,769 --> 00:56:17,049
report could go sort of unnoticed by so

1206
00:56:22,049 --> 00:56:18,779
many people when it actually has

1207
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:22,059
transcripts and audio recordings and was

1208
00:56:27,449 --> 00:56:25,450
admitted by NORAD that they sent up at

1209
00:56:29,489 --> 00:56:27,459
50's to try and track the thing down and

1210
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,499
chase it but couldn't get to it there's

1211
00:56:33,809 --> 00:56:31,839
a sighting for you yeah and it's a

1212
00:56:35,370 --> 00:56:33,819
really interesting sighting yeah you

1213
00:56:37,049 --> 00:56:35,380
could check it out there's this I don't

1214
00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:37,059
know if we can say you know promote

1215
00:56:41,309 --> 00:56:39,489
other websites but it first popped up on

1216
00:56:43,620 --> 00:56:41,319
a site called the war zone so you could

1217
00:56:45,509 --> 00:56:43,630
probably go there and look it up this is

1218
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:45,519
like a site that features a lot of

1219
00:56:50,729 --> 00:56:48,880
military type of aficionados so it's you

1220
00:56:53,279 --> 00:56:50,739
can take it pretty seriously it seems

1221
00:56:54,539 --> 00:56:53,289
like this really did happen I think it's

1222
00:56:56,670 --> 00:56:54,549
one of the more interesting sightings

1223
00:56:58,769 --> 00:56:56,680
that's taken place say you know within

1224
00:57:00,690 --> 00:56:58,779
the last six months kind of thing

1225
00:57:03,709 --> 00:57:00,700
I agree wholeheartedly I think that

1226
00:57:07,009 --> 00:57:03,719
Billy Cox he's the boy column also

1227
00:57:09,329 --> 00:57:07,019
brought this up he also brought the

1228
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:09,339
investigation that was conducted by

1229
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:13,209
those guys in that other websites the

1230
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,729
war zone and yeah I mean this is

1231
00:57:20,249 --> 00:57:17,920
interesting a case like this we're not

1232
00:57:23,219 --> 00:57:20,259
dealing with hallucinations or

1233
00:57:29,999 --> 00:57:23,229
collective unconscious or well some sort

1234
00:57:31,769 --> 00:57:30,009
of manifestation because you know I kind

1235
00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:31,779
of do I think I think when you've got

1236
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:33,880
something being tracked on radar by

1237
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:36,910
multiple sources and you're not thinking

1238
00:57:41,069 --> 00:57:38,890
of UFOs in the first place and you see

1239
00:57:43,289 --> 00:57:41,079
one what sort of stimulus is there for

1240
00:57:45,749 --> 00:57:43,299
someone to suddenly conjure up in their

1241
00:57:47,759 --> 00:57:45,759
mind a strange flying object can be

1242
00:57:50,459 --> 00:57:47,769
picked up on radar I think that's a real

1243
00:57:53,339 --> 00:57:50,469
stretch I don't know I mean I mean there

1244
00:57:57,959 --> 00:57:53,349
was those other cases from the to the

1245
00:58:00,900 --> 00:57:57,969
Stars release right you know the USS

1246
00:58:04,289 --> 00:58:00,910
Nimitz case and in those in that case

1247
00:58:07,769 --> 00:58:04,299
the pilots saw the object but it wasn't

1248
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:07,779
picked up by radar so are you we saying

1249
00:58:13,650 --> 00:58:11,049
that a radar therefore is more reliable

1250
00:58:17,689 --> 00:58:13,660
and more trustworthy than a human being

1251
00:58:22,099 --> 00:58:17,699
I'm not sure if I'm willing to go on and

1252
00:58:23,690 --> 00:58:22,109
accept that it had necessarily

1253
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:23,700
think we have radar in that they send

1254
00:58:27,799 --> 00:58:25,369
pilot subtle or visual confirmation

1255
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:27,809
here's what I think I think that what we

1256
00:58:32,779 --> 00:58:30,089
need to move forward is these as

1257
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:32,789
dichotomy these dichotomy between what

1258
00:58:37,220 --> 00:58:35,160
we're saying yeah this is the there is

1259
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:37,230
an outside objective world that is

1260
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:39,180
outside of our skulls and there's you

1261
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:41,730
know our inner world you know there is

1262
00:58:46,940 --> 00:58:44,460
you know in our minds and our minds only

1263
00:58:50,660 --> 00:58:46,950
what I think that it's going to be the

1264
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:50,670
next leap in science it's to the

1265
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:54,299
admittance that consciousness and

1266
00:58:59,359 --> 00:58:56,819
intelligence is everything consciousness

1267
00:59:01,099 --> 00:58:59,369
precludes matter consciousness and

1268
00:59:04,339 --> 00:59:01,109
information are the true beaut

1269
00:59:06,009 --> 00:59:04,349
building blocks of reality okay hang on

1270
00:59:09,410 --> 00:59:06,019
there what do you mean by consciousness

1271
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:09,420
precludes matter like explain that one

1272
00:59:14,029 --> 00:59:11,460
because I think some people may not get

1273
00:59:17,140 --> 00:59:14,039
that and it's difficult to go around it

1274
00:59:20,769 --> 00:59:17,150
but I think that when I started to

1275
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:20,779
entertain that idea is when I read

1276
00:59:27,380 --> 00:59:23,700
Jacques Vallee message messengers of

1277
00:59:30,819 --> 00:59:27,390
deception which i think is guys if you

1278
00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:30,829
have a list of must read UFO books

1279
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:33,390
messengers of deception had to has to be

1280
00:59:40,819 --> 00:59:37,980
at least in the top five really why not

1281
00:59:44,089 --> 00:59:40,829
because of what he writes about you know

1282
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:44,099
these UFO calls and these many ways in

1283
00:59:49,489 --> 00:59:47,130
which the UFO phenomenon can be used to

1284
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:49,499
deceive the party words you know what

1285
00:59:54,019 --> 00:59:51,569
that was interesting but it wasn't as

1286
00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:54,029
interesting as the things that he got

1287
00:59:59,739 --> 00:59:56,819
into by the end of the book when he was

1288
01:00:01,309 --> 00:59:59,749
having these dumbfounding

1289
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:01,319
synchronicities when he was

1290
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:05,339
investigating the melchizedek UFO cult

1291
01:00:10,489 --> 01:00:08,249
I'm going point he was investigating

1292
01:00:13,549 --> 01:00:10,499
those cults you know he got into a in a

1293
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:13,559
taxi cab in San Francisco and he won he

1294
01:00:18,499 --> 01:00:16,049
asked for received he got it from the

1295
01:00:21,019 --> 01:00:18,509
driver and then the name of the driver

1296
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:21,029
was no piece of that and he looked into

1297
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,160
yellow pages of San Francisco and

1298
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:25,440
apparently there was kind of like only a

1299
01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:27,690
dozen of people in that city with that

1300
01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:31,470
me so pretty mind-boggling synchronicity

1301
01:00:40,009 --> 01:00:35,579
and he began began to entertain

1302
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:40,019
these physics theories of information in

1303
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:43,920
which it passes that information is more

1304
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:47,849
important is more fundamental than time

1305
01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:51,930
space and energy into into the actual

1306
01:00:59,269 --> 01:00:55,049
creation of reality so he's not alone in

1307
01:01:01,789 --> 01:00:59,279
this Randal there are another whole lot

1308
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:01,799
of cutting-edge scientists although

1309
01:01:07,009 --> 01:01:04,319
obviously these guys tend to be pretty

1310
01:01:09,799 --> 01:01:07,019
old because you can only go into such

1311
01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:09,809
heresies into you these affronts to the

1312
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:11,880
materialistic model of science when you

1313
01:01:15,799 --> 01:01:13,380
are pretty much untouchable when you

1314
01:01:17,630 --> 01:01:15,809
have enough a Nobel Prize singers in

1315
01:01:20,089 --> 01:01:17,640
your sleeve you know behind you only or

1316
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:20,099
in your on your belt that's sort of a

1317
01:01:24,109 --> 01:01:22,650
bit of and I you know just just to

1318
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:24,119
interject here a little bit because we

1319
01:01:28,940 --> 01:01:25,609
before we move on through too many

1320
01:01:31,459 --> 01:01:28,950
related concepts as there's it's just

1321
01:01:33,289 --> 01:01:31,469
because people have notoriety and

1322
01:01:36,739 --> 01:01:33,299
credentials doesn't necessarily mean

1323
01:01:39,709 --> 01:01:36,749
they're correct so no no with the case

1324
01:01:44,180 --> 01:01:39,719
with valet he's been genuine astronomer

1325
01:01:46,579 --> 01:01:44,190
he that's right and a computer scientist

1326
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:46,589
so he's naturally going to be drawn

1327
01:01:50,479 --> 01:01:48,930
towards ideas like information as

1328
01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:50,489
reality and these are all very

1329
01:01:56,269 --> 01:01:53,160
interesting but if we start to say

1330
01:01:58,339 --> 01:01:56,279
something like consciousness comes

1331
01:02:00,170 --> 01:01:58,349
before the material world and what

1332
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,180
exactly are we saying are we saying that

1333
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,640
without consciousness there would be no

1334
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:04,559
material world yeah

1335
01:02:27,049 --> 01:02:24,249
yeah and that's pretty materialists who

1336
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:27,059
don't want to go that way and we'd say

1337
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:28,890
okay you know just humans are special

1338
01:02:36,259 --> 01:02:32,390
because humans have this you know inner

1339
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:36,269
life of the mind but you know this desk

1340
01:02:42,859 --> 01:02:39,420
that are near me doesn't it doesn't have

1341
01:02:44,809 --> 01:02:42,869
that you know or the chair Amir did but

1342
01:02:48,019 --> 01:02:44,819
then again you know all these things are

1343
01:02:48,990 --> 01:02:48,029
made of what atoms that were spewed out

1344
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by the same

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star right well like I would say okay we

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there was no humans around to be

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[Music]

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hi it's Greg Cameron from presidential

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UFO calm you're listening to the para

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cast the gold standard of paranormal

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radio he must ask that question you

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never know what the answer is Miguel

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would you continue right I mean I'm not

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saying I'm right I'm saying that I'm

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more than willing to entertain this idea

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is that you know objects or things that

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we think are immaterial are there the

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boy unconscious consciousness may be

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conscious in some way that we don't

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understand the Sun or the earth itself

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Gaia you know there I'm not the first

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person who will entertain the

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possibility that the UFO phenomenon is

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some kind of manifestation from the gaia

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consciousness the planetary

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consciousness of the earth well we're

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doing there is where anthropomorphizing

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objects and deifying objects and that's

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something that only can take place when

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you've got a conscious mind but showing

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respect to objects you know there was

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this guy I don't remember his name was a

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Japanese designer very important

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designer he was the guy who designed the

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bullet train and also the the famous

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Kikkoman soy sauce bottle right before

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he became a designer and all he was a

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Zen monk and he had actually managed to

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survive the Nagasaki nuclear bombing in

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1945 and he said that when he was

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walking through the breathe room remains

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of this city that was totally

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obliterated that he saw you know all the

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remains of objects like I don't know

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cars or houses or you know furniture and

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maybe he was in a state of the

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arrangement you know you you will say

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that but he's claimed that he could see

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the cries he could hear the cries of the

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subjects that we're now deprived of

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their having the chance to serve a

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purpose you know and I found that so

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moving male

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because I'm also an industrial designer

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you know and I know how much love how

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much intent I put into the things that I

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design you know every day in my day work

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maybe there's something to things

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objects that we wear or that we have

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close to us and that maybe would they

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they are imbued with some kind of inner

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life we know that there are people or

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psychics

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who claim to hold an object that may

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have some kind of history you know like

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maybe some kind of family heirloom

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didn't your grandmother's earrings for

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example and they hold the object and

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they manage to retrieve some kind of

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information you can either believe that

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or don't but I find that that idea

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fascinating what is this possibility do

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you know that material object material

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matter may be able to store information

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just as well as the human brain is

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capable of storing information well

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we've got microchips that store

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Shardas because they're engineered to be

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able to store information they're

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engineered to easily retrieve their

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information everybody can do it if you

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have the right operating system

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what if psychics run on a different

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operating system than most of us well

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when we get into psychics is I guess to

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be pretty controversial what I will say

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though you know I can't stay in the

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materialistic side of you follows you

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forever

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I feel is that you can't always give me

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so much what I would say however and I

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would completely agree with in terms of

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consciousness coming before the material

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is that our creative mind has to come up

1553
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with the idea first and when it's in our

1554
01:12:01,280 --> 01:11:58,830
consciousness and we don't really know

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what consciousness is yet at this point

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or at least what it's made of or how it

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comes into being but we do know that we

1558
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have to have an idea first before we can

1559
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actually realize it in the material

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world

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that's very true sometimes those ideas

1562
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come in very

1563
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non-ordinary weights right I mean we

1564
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have each history after history in in

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science of all these brilliant thinkers

1566
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:28,560
to have that famous Eureka moment you

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know in which you can almost say that

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they received the information from from

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elsewhere one example they came as

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Calculon

1571
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who had this dream one night of seeing

1572
01:12:48,050 --> 01:12:43,080
this serpent that was eating its own

1573
01:12:52,430 --> 01:12:48,060
tail and he realized that image was the

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perfect symbol of the molecule for

1575
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:55,170
benzene which he was studying you know

1576
01:13:00,350 --> 01:12:57,930
so where did that come from the mind

1577
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:00,360
associates patterns it's an incredible

1578
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,480
thing and yeah and people like yourself

1579
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:05,280
who were created I'm I've got some of

1580
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:05,730
that as well

1581
01:13:09,530 --> 01:13:07,080
it's not like I don't appreciate what

1582
01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:09,540
you're saying but I also always have to

1583
01:13:13,850 --> 01:13:11,460
ask myself well you know where is the

1584
01:13:15,890 --> 01:13:13,860
real evidence for that and and how how

1585
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:15,900
well does it stack up in terms of

1586
01:13:21,380 --> 01:13:19,110
critical thinking so I have to do that

1587
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:21,390
maybe you're a little more freeform I

1588
01:13:26,810 --> 01:13:24,120
what do we say when do you know someone

1589
01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:26,820
like Francis Crick Nobel Prize winner

1590
01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:30,150
you know co-discoverer of the DNA double

1591
01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:34,860
helix and he credited LSD to be you go

1592
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:37,320
almost like the battle tool for him to

1593
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:40,560
dream up these double helix that's not

1594
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:42,420
the first time I've heard that back in

1595
01:13:48,710 --> 01:13:45,090
my teens when I was an aspiring rock

1596
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musician one of my guitar mentors was a

1597
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:50,490
bit older than me and into the sort of

1598
01:13:55,940 --> 01:13:54,330
drug culture he confided in me and it's

1599
01:13:58,490 --> 01:13:55,950
it's okay to tell this story now and I

1600
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:58,500
don't have to mention names that he had

1601
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:01,920
taken peyote and he'd had a vision of

1602
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:05,850
his whole life unfolding from its past

1603
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:08,880
into his future and he said he knew how

1604
01:14:14,270 --> 01:14:11,280
he was going to die and the way that it

1605
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:14,280
unfolded was exactly like a couple of

1606
01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:16,530
film strips he said and that were

1607
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:18,840
wrapped around each other in this

1608
01:14:25,190 --> 01:14:22,010
pattern that he described as I later

1609
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:25,200
realized was a double helix so this I

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01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:27,150
found very fascinating that people do

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01:14:32,660 --> 01:14:29,199
have these insightful moment

1612
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:32,670
are difficult to explain in normal

1613
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:35,710
psychology if we can say well our brain

1614
01:14:40,140 --> 01:14:38,080
is an amazingly creative thing that is

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01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:40,150
pretty much on all the time whether we

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01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:42,550
know it or not it seeks out ways to

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01:14:46,740 --> 01:14:44,650
understand the world and I think that

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01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:46,750
this is a natural expression of the way

1619
01:14:51,660 --> 01:14:49,870
our minds work hey this reminds me what

1620
01:14:53,310 --> 01:14:51,670
do you think of the Mandela effect

1621
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:53,320
because we had a bit of a discussion

1622
01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:56,170
about that on the forum in a couple of

1623
01:15:00,270 --> 01:14:58,330
episodes ago and this kind of gets into

1624
01:15:02,189 --> 01:15:00,280
all of that you know what I'm talking

1625
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:02,199
about there it's not a Mandela effect

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01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:08,080
man it's the Mengele effect episode I

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01:15:14,189 --> 01:15:11,440
still haven't seen it actually oh man so

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:14,199
I know gene told me about it but I don't

1629
01:15:18,990 --> 01:15:17,050
have to so you know how do you think

1630
01:15:21,870 --> 01:15:19,000
that might fit into all of this because

1631
01:15:26,130 --> 01:15:21,880
I do feel that in that instance it's

1632
01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:26,140
more of a showing how unreliable memory

1633
01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:31,000
is there is a quote by Milan Kundera who

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wrote the insufferable lightness of

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being that says memory is not the

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01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:42,370
opposite of forgetting memory is a way

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of forgetting meaning that the idea is

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that when you try to remember something

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it's not like you're retrieving it from

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some kind of like storage your mental

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01:16:00,030 --> 01:15:58,300
harddrive you are creating that moment

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01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:00,040
out of nothing you know these are

1643
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,449
remembrance and the problem is that

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every time you do that the remembrance

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becomes ever more distorted the more you

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try to remember your wedding night or

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the color of your mother's eyes the more

1648
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:14,980
distorted that that memory gets also

1649
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about the Mandela effect I feel right

1650
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now that is not really so much evidence

1651
01:16:25,470 --> 01:16:22,150
of you know that yeah that we're moving

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[Music]

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01:20:59,820 --> 01:20:57,850
hi this is Bryce a blonde the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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[Music]

1761
01:21:17,530 --> 01:21:15,690
you see if I don't say anything Randall

1762
01:21:20,570 --> 01:21:17,540
will always take over saying the power

1763
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:20,580
it's just more than a 300 millisecond

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01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:23,730
delay I'm in there yeah I sure did

1765
01:21:30,410 --> 01:21:27,540
let us continue so mandala effect you

1766
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:30,420
know I don't feel there's you know it's

1767
01:21:36,379 --> 01:21:33,300
it's evidence that yeah we move from a

1768
01:21:38,260 --> 01:21:36,389
different parallel universe or that you

1769
01:21:40,609 --> 01:21:38,270
know the guys who are running our

1770
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:40,619
simulation you know decided to pull a

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fast one over us and although that's an

1772
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:46,219
interesting funny thing to entertain

1773
01:21:53,300 --> 01:21:49,980
although I do wonder if if a person is

1774
01:21:56,540 --> 01:21:53,310
able to go through different aspects of

1775
01:21:58,370 --> 01:21:56,550
their lives in the multiverse when

1776
01:22:01,540 --> 01:21:58,380
you're dreaming you know because I have

1777
01:22:04,580 --> 01:22:01,550
a very rich dream life you know I've

1778
01:22:07,129 --> 01:22:04,590
experienced lucid dreams several times

1779
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:07,139
I've experienced dreams in which I feel

1780
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:10,770
I have died sometimes I dreamed that I

1781
01:22:16,459 --> 01:22:12,330
was kind of like a guerrilla fighter

1782
01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:16,469
then my squad was caught by by the army

1783
01:22:21,379 --> 01:22:18,840
and we were executed you know and I

1784
01:22:26,030 --> 01:22:21,389
remember waking up sobbing you know

1785
01:22:28,459 --> 01:22:26,040
bowling over you know this loss of being

1786
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,469
deprived of my young life you know such

1787
01:22:33,260 --> 01:22:30,900
as such an early age so I don't know you

1788
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:33,270
know is that just the the product of my

1789
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:36,600
mind or is some of that information

1790
01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:38,850
coming from elsewhere that's a really

1791
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:41,460
good question the older I've gotten the

1792
01:22:47,540 --> 01:22:44,850
stranger my dreams have gotten where the

1793
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:47,550
imagery and places and settings will

1794
01:22:54,379 --> 01:22:51,090
will be part of the picture that I have

1795
01:22:56,689 --> 01:22:54,389
no idea why my mind would conjure it up

1796
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,699
and it's not related to anything in my

1797
01:23:00,979 --> 01:22:59,040
life that is that I've recently seen or

1798
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:00,989
thought about or anything else in fact

1799
01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:02,850
sometimes it's completely so how did

1800
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:06,060
character for me I go what the heck is

1801
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:09,360
going on with with my dream mechanism

1802
01:23:15,890 --> 01:23:12,690
yeah this is also something that I've

1803
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:15,900
experienced many many nights when I

1804
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:18,239
probably are in some kind of hypnotic

1805
01:23:21,650 --> 01:23:20,610
Noguchi States right you know between

1806
01:23:23,900 --> 01:23:21,660
waking up

1807
01:23:26,420 --> 01:23:23,910
and dreamlike and and but I I bore

1808
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:26,430
unconscious that I'm lying on the bed it

1809
01:23:33,470 --> 01:23:29,850
start and then I'm seeing into my

1810
01:23:35,660 --> 01:23:33,480
ceiling and I see this sort of weird

1811
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:35,670
color mandalas you know there are you

1812
01:23:41,390 --> 01:23:38,610
know you know like moving towards me and

1813
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:41,400
sometimes those mandalas form letters

1814
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:44,130
and mathematical symbols I I don't know

1815
01:23:47,150 --> 01:23:44,880
what the hell that is

1816
01:23:49,730 --> 01:23:47,160
I know there's a name for that that it's

1817
01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:49,740
called Antarctic phenomenon but other

1818
01:23:54,290 --> 01:23:52,110
than that I don't know if it's a result

1819
01:23:57,770 --> 01:23:54,300
of some kind of like endogenous

1820
01:24:01,730 --> 01:23:57,780
secretion of DMT while being in some

1821
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:01,740
kind of a relaxed state I don't know if

1822
01:24:08,090 --> 01:24:05,130
the mothership is trying to beam up some

1823
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:08,100
kind of like secret formula into my

1824
01:24:14,650 --> 01:24:12,150
brain and I'm just too stupid or too you

1825
01:24:17,570 --> 01:24:14,660
know my operating system is just not

1826
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upgraded enough to actually get it or

1827
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you know decrypt it well you see you've

1828
01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:24,110
got to use Mac's you can't use Windows

1829
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:28,020
baby that's it did Apple pay you for

1830
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:32,730
that JD I wish they would but you know

1831
01:24:35,930 --> 01:24:34,080
we have to be a multi-million dollar

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corporation to get advertising from

1833
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:39,360
Apple mm-hmm I know you're you're pretty

1834
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:42,000
humble but from the stuff that I've seen

1835
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,770
and listened to you I think you're

1836
01:24:48,860 --> 01:24:45,840
definitely one of the more creative and

1837
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:48,870
intelligent people on the scene and I

1838
01:24:55,310 --> 01:24:51,570
would say that you know these visions

1839
01:24:58,460 --> 01:24:55,320
and dream interpretations are a product

1840
01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:58,470
of your quite brilliant mind actually

1841
01:25:02,210 --> 01:24:59,940
the way that you think of things and

1842
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:02,220
imagine things and being a visual artist

1843
01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:04,530
it's going to express itself in that way

1844
01:25:09,650 --> 01:25:07,860
and that it's just you're just lucky to

1845
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:09,660
be able to do it whereas other people

1846
01:25:14,630 --> 01:25:13,110
simply just don't have the ability I ran

1847
01:25:17,930 --> 01:25:14,640
across a really interesting thing not

1848
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:17,940
too long ago there's a condition called

1849
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:21,840
a Fantasia where people they don't have

1850
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:25,170
the ability to visualize for me and I

1851
01:25:30,380 --> 01:25:28,320
imagine that for you as well I can't

1852
01:25:32,270 --> 01:25:30,390
even imagine how I could communicate if

1853
01:25:32,930 --> 01:25:32,280
I wasn't able to visualize what I'm

1854
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:32,940
thinking

1855
01:25:39,229 --> 01:25:35,510
Wow how could people

1856
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:39,239
even function I guess they do but for us

1857
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:42,690
who think in pictures and communicate

1858
01:25:47,420 --> 01:25:44,910
through pictures into your vocal

1859
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,430
language without that filter there I'm

1860
01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:48,960
not even sure how I would form a

1861
01:25:54,590 --> 01:25:51,510
sentence I mean I can visualize sound as

1862
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:54,600
well as imagery but these people they

1863
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,730
just don't have that ability and yet

1864
01:26:00,110 --> 01:25:58,080
they somehow function in the world

1865
01:26:02,209 --> 01:26:00,120
that's interesting yeah because I mean

1866
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:02,219
think about language I mean language

1867
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,890
turns McKenna said it's the cruelest and

1868
01:26:09,050 --> 01:26:06,800
most inefficient form of telepathy

1869
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:09,060
that's out there you know we're trying

1870
01:26:15,050 --> 01:26:13,710
to convey complex terms using grounds

1871
01:26:18,830 --> 01:26:15,060
that are coming out of the same hole

1872
01:26:21,530 --> 01:26:18,840
that we used to eat right but all those

1873
01:26:25,090 --> 01:26:21,540
grounds are supposed to Qualis and unite

1874
01:26:28,820 --> 01:26:25,100
in specific ways in order to create this

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01:26:30,590 --> 01:26:28,830
idea into the mind of the people who are

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01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:30,600
actually communicating with for example

1877
01:26:37,610 --> 01:26:35,250
if I say to you pink elephant it's

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01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:37,620
almost inevitable for you guys to go

1879
01:26:43,850 --> 01:26:40,830
with that image yeah there it is I can

1880
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:43,860
see it now or someone says I just bought

1881
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:46,800
a red Ferrari you've got it you know

1882
01:26:53,690 --> 01:26:49,170
yeah you know in my case there's a

1883
01:26:56,959 --> 01:26:53,700
blonde in the passenger seat too but why

1884
01:26:59,060 --> 01:26:56,969
not red-haired why not brunette exactly

1885
01:27:01,970 --> 01:26:59,070
I think it goes back to you a national

1886
01:27:04,729 --> 01:27:01,980
lampoon's vacation possibly that could

1887
01:27:07,310 --> 01:27:04,739
be something to do with that which you

1888
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:07,320
know brings us back to that idea that

1889
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:11,580
when people communicate with aliens they

1890
01:27:17,950 --> 01:27:14,880
do so telepathically and yet this

1891
01:27:20,690 --> 01:27:17,960
telepath it seems to be primarily oral

1892
01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:20,700
right like they're listening to these

1893
01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:23,340
boys inside of their heads and I've

1894
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,380
always thought that that shouldn't be

1895
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:27,600
the way in which to let telepathy works

1896
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:30,780
I think that telepathy should work in

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01:27:37,459 --> 01:27:33,690
the way of more more like transmitting

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01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:37,469
images into the mind of the recipient

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01:27:43,190 --> 01:27:39,690
instead of you know words otherwise

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01:27:45,650 --> 01:27:43,200
aren't you missing the beauty of the

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01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:45,660
medium of you know you're literally

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going without making the noises that are

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01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:52,270
picked up by the ear of the person and

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01:27:57,689 --> 01:27:55,050
then those sounds are you know

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01:28:00,720 --> 01:27:57,699
translated into some kind of like you

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01:28:03,899 --> 01:28:00,730
know vibrations that are decoded by the

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01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:03,909
brain of the recipient wouldn't be more

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01:28:07,950 --> 01:28:06,130
efficient to go instead of saying red

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01:28:11,310 --> 01:28:07,960
Ferrari the ban

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01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:11,320
you know transmit that image directly

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01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:13,090
into the mind of a recipient I think

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01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:15,400
that's even the way that people who go

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01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:17,110
into all these things about remote

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01:28:23,939 --> 01:28:20,639
viewing try to condition their brains

1915
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:23,949
hmm I think some people do have that

1916
01:28:30,899 --> 01:28:27,130
type of the an experience when you go

1917
01:28:32,850 --> 01:28:30,909
back to some of the uses of Lucinda gems

1918
01:28:35,660 --> 01:28:32,860
for example I mean that that isn't

1919
01:28:38,220 --> 01:28:35,670
telepathy but I think the kind of

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01:28:42,060 --> 01:28:38,230
messages that they get from the

1921
01:28:44,430 --> 01:28:42,070
experience are often very visual and

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01:28:47,070 --> 01:28:44,440
symbolic in nature and don't involve any

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01:28:50,580 --> 01:28:47,080
type of you know a lecture from a higher

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01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:50,590
power you know have you ever had any

1925
01:28:59,729 --> 01:28:54,580
kind of telepathic experience hmm that's

1926
01:29:02,070 --> 01:28:59,739
a good question mmm I don't know I know

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01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:02,080
that I've experienced in a few occasions

1928
01:29:10,530 --> 01:29:06,310
you know a moment in which you are so

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01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:10,540
synced with another person that for

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01:29:14,970 --> 01:29:13,090
example you know an employer of mine

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01:29:20,490 --> 01:29:14,980
that we're coming up with a design and

1932
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:20,500
we are so we know each other's so well

1933
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:23,199
you know our taste our way of thinking

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01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:27,489
our way of solving solutions in design

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01:29:32,729 --> 01:29:30,369
that you know the moment that he come up

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01:29:34,740 --> 01:29:32,739
comes up with something I can almost you

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01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:34,750
know finish it up for him because with

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01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:37,090
we are synched up that way you know

1939
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:39,040
we're thinking kind of like the same the

1940
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:42,130
same lines here in the same way yeah it

1941
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:43,690
would be we're in the same wave I don't

1942
01:29:51,149 --> 01:29:48,210
know if that will be a king to telepathy

1943
01:29:52,919 --> 01:29:51,159
but maybe it's a good approximation I

1944
01:29:56,430 --> 01:29:52,929
also know that there are people who I

1945
01:30:00,500 --> 01:29:56,440
don't know they manage to watch someone

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01:30:02,130 --> 01:30:00,510
in a crowded place and then you know

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01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:02,140
unexpected

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01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:05,170
that someone you know raises their side

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you know and they connect you know that

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what what makes you feel you know that

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that feeling I think everybody has felt

1952
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:14,680
it you know that that someone is

1953
01:30:19,410 --> 01:30:17,410
watching you know some and you turned

1954
01:30:21,420 --> 01:30:19,420
your gaze and yes someone is actually

1955
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you know looking at you directly you

1956
01:30:25,490 --> 01:30:23,080
know what someone's gonna watch us from

1957
01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:25,500
the network if we don't break with Jean

1958
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Miguel and Randle you're in the para

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

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that's Rockets are Ock oids calm hear

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that that's the sound of a house being

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trashed while a gang of thieves

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the man of a thousand voices red pill

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junky as we continue I want to throw out

2063
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something totally left field but it

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relates to something that you mentioned

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and that is alien artifacts well yeah I

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mean it relates to the things that we've

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discussed like for example implants as

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possible ports

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01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:40,580
you know psychic ports I think for me

2070
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the most interesting thing that that

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beast extracted from that famous New

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York Times article was that very brief

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almost you know deception or a brief

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mention of those alloys that were stored

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by Bigelow in this facility that

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apparently had he needed to expand or

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build ex-professor to keeping these

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shallows and you know just one really

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short sentence and well like what I mean

2080
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what is this and it reminded me of an

2081
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interview that I managed to have with

2082
01:36:22,420 --> 01:36:20,000
the one and only Jacques Vallee last

2083
01:36:25,690 --> 01:36:22,430
year you know my friends on the podcast

2084
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decry America show have him on his show

2085
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:28,430
and they were kind enough to invite me

2086
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to you know like tag along and actually

2087
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you know ask some questions to dr. valet

2088
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:40,910
and when he went about these ejecta that

2089
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:45,489
he's managed to try to study using the

2090
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expecto graphs that his friends in

2091
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Silicon Valley have and the things that

2092
01:36:58,930 --> 01:36:55,100
he managed to study and and discover

2093
01:37:02,010 --> 01:36:58,940
about these fascinating metal materials

2094
01:37:04,450 --> 01:37:02,020
it kind of like rang a bell because

2095
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:04,460
here's what he told us you know if you

2096
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:06,050
told us that you know what they

2097
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:08,930
discovered is that these alloys or this

2098
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:12,250
you know metallic samples are neither of

2099
01:37:16,959 --> 01:37:14,690
meteoric origin you know there they

2100
01:37:20,440 --> 01:37:16,969
income from some kind of meteor from

2101
01:37:21,130 --> 01:37:20,450
Mars or another extraterrestrial place

2102
01:37:30,430 --> 01:37:21,140
and

2103
01:37:33,130 --> 01:37:30,440
common you know metal samples that were

2104
01:37:35,290 --> 01:37:33,140
manufacturing some you know plant in

2105
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:35,300
United States or whatever what they

2106
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:39,440
discovered is that this isotope ratio of

2107
01:37:46,860 --> 01:37:43,040
these samples was very peculiar almost

2108
01:37:51,070 --> 01:37:46,870
as if they these materials have been

2109
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:51,080
re-engineered at the molecular level and

2110
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:54,290
I don't know for why but at that point

2111
01:37:59,980 --> 01:37:57,050
something rang a bell inside of me and

2112
01:38:03,490 --> 01:37:59,990
then that's when I asked him you know

2113
01:38:06,970 --> 01:38:03,500
dr. ballet does this mean that the

2114
01:38:10,270 --> 01:38:06,980
evidence you have retrieved and what

2115
01:38:13,330 --> 01:38:10,280
you're discovering does it suggest that

2116
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:13,340
we are dealing with an agency or an

2117
01:38:19,570 --> 01:38:16,000
intelligence that is capable of

2118
01:38:22,420 --> 01:38:19,580
transforming energy into matter and

2119
01:38:25,210 --> 01:38:22,430
vice-versa and you know almost forth

2120
01:38:28,570 --> 01:38:25,220
fell out of my chair when he said oh yes

2121
01:38:31,420 --> 01:38:28,580
I mean we are beyond you know it is

2122
01:38:35,260 --> 01:38:31,430
speculation with this we can say without

2123
01:38:38,650 --> 01:38:35,270
a doubt that is the case and if we

2124
01:38:42,700 --> 01:38:38,660
accept that gene and Randall then we're

2125
01:38:45,220 --> 01:38:42,710
saying that maybe the UFO phenomenon is

2126
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:45,230
some kind of like agency that comes from

2127
01:38:50,980 --> 01:38:47,810
some other aspect of our reality and

2128
01:38:55,230 --> 01:38:50,990
once they want to interact with us they

2129
01:38:58,840 --> 01:38:55,240
can create out of thin air

2130
01:39:01,720 --> 01:38:58,850
anything they need in order to do that

2131
01:39:05,380 --> 01:39:01,730
interaction they can create you know

2132
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:05,390
some kind of like this shaped craft that

2133
01:39:10,510 --> 01:39:07,520
is apparently made out of metal maybe

2134
01:39:12,910 --> 01:39:10,520
they can't create an automobile you know

2135
01:39:15,940 --> 01:39:12,920
one of those classic black automobiles

2136
01:39:19,150 --> 01:39:15,950
than the men in black were seen riding

2137
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:19,160
on maybe they can even create humanoid

2138
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:19,760
body

2139
01:39:24,700 --> 01:39:21,410
bodies you know and that maybe that's

2140
01:39:26,850 --> 01:39:24,710
the reason why those bodies or those men

2141
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:26,860
in black seem to be almost like

2142
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:28,850
automatons and there wasn't something

2143
01:39:34,650 --> 01:39:31,250
quite right about them like it like

2144
01:39:38,260 --> 01:39:34,660
almost like if they were moving

2145
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:38,270
you know I'm a gamer right and I like I

2146
01:39:44,230 --> 01:39:41,090
like playing video games and when I

2147
01:39:46,300 --> 01:39:44,240
think about these things I think about

2148
01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:46,310
how when you are playing a video game

2149
01:39:49,060 --> 01:39:48,080
you know you're you're playing I don't

2150
01:39:51,810 --> 01:39:49,070
know whatever

2151
01:39:55,870 --> 01:39:51,820
I'm first-person shooter or whatever

2152
01:39:59,170 --> 01:39:55,880
first there is that avatar inside of you

2153
01:40:01,450 --> 01:39:59,180
of your of the game which you are using

2154
01:40:05,260 --> 01:40:01,460
to interact with the game that is

2155
01:40:07,660 --> 01:40:05,270
created out of you know the pixels there

2156
01:40:09,580 --> 01:40:07,670
are you know part of the of the game

2157
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:09,590
structure and then when you need a

2158
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:12,290
weapon you know it poof it manifests

2159
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:14,570
right in front of your eyes and when you

2160
01:40:20,170 --> 01:40:15,890
don't need it anymore

2161
01:40:23,530 --> 01:40:20,180
it disappears so that is the kind of

2162
01:40:26,050 --> 01:40:23,540
things that suggest me that you know

2163
01:40:28,420 --> 01:40:26,060
those things that they are retrieved and

2164
01:40:30,940 --> 01:40:28,430
they started to study on doubt those

2165
01:40:35,260 --> 01:40:30,950
Pentagon Papers they probably confused

2166
01:40:38,110 --> 01:40:35,270
them more than you know they gave them

2167
01:40:40,180 --> 01:40:38,120
answers about oh yeah this is the kind

2168
01:40:43,810 --> 01:40:40,190
of like alloy that we need to make a

2169
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:43,820
spacecraft that can go faster than light

2170
01:40:49,570 --> 01:40:46,850
speed well we can always have warp drive

2171
01:40:52,630 --> 01:40:49,580
or we can have stargates I still like

2172
01:40:54,660 --> 01:40:52,640
the Stargate concept yeah you don't have

2173
01:40:58,630 --> 01:40:54,670
to take off anyway just walk into the

2174
01:41:02,080 --> 01:40:58,640
wormhole and your atoms and molecules

2175
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:02,090
are shifted around and you come out on

2176
01:41:08,650 --> 01:41:04,970
the other side and that's it

2177
01:41:13,330 --> 01:41:08,660
and it takes what 30 seconds I like the

2178
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:13,340
David Lynch concept on that doom movie

2179
01:41:19,540 --> 01:41:16,490
appears in which the guild navigators

2180
01:41:22,450 --> 01:41:19,550
used the spice melange this kind of like

2181
01:41:25,450 --> 01:41:22,460
drug like substance that were also used

2182
01:41:28,690 --> 01:41:25,460
to spend human consciousness and human

2183
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:28,700
and human lifespan in other in order to

2184
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:32,080
fold space itself around this craft

2185
01:41:39,420 --> 01:41:35,210
right I think in Star Trek then to

2186
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:39,430
reboot here we've got some kind of yeah

2187
01:41:44,380 --> 01:41:42,080
yeah which is which is kind of different

2188
01:41:46,469 --> 01:41:44,390
I'm not sure I like it that much but at

2189
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:46,479
least it's created

2190
01:41:51,959 --> 01:41:49,090
it's very crazy and also the guy who is

2191
01:41:54,089 --> 01:41:51,969
in that show you know the guy who is

2192
01:41:56,069 --> 01:41:54,099
running that sport right is named after

2193
01:41:58,529 --> 01:41:56,079
an actual scientist and actual

2194
01:41:59,310 --> 01:41:58,539
mycologist all standards that's

2195
01:42:02,040 --> 01:41:59,320
interesting

2196
01:42:04,949 --> 01:42:02,050
we're referring here to the Star Trek

2197
01:42:09,319 --> 01:42:04,959
discovery yeah yeah okay I haven't

2198
01:42:12,270 --> 01:42:09,329
decided to pay a monthly fee to get that

2199
01:42:17,489 --> 01:42:12,280
CBS all access I own it may be available

2200
01:42:20,759 --> 01:42:17,499
differently in Canada or Mexico it was

2201
01:42:24,270 --> 01:42:20,769
available on Netflix here in Mexico I'm

2202
01:42:27,419 --> 01:42:24,280
being cheated you know what you know

2203
01:42:29,819 --> 01:42:27,429
wait until you can get it gene but do

2204
01:42:32,609 --> 01:42:29,829
watch it because it's really worth it

2205
01:42:34,290 --> 01:42:32,619
I'm hoping then next year maybe I can

2206
01:42:36,270 --> 01:42:34,300
get it at Netflix because I'm running

2207
01:42:39,390 --> 01:42:36,280
out of things to watch on Netflix I saw

2208
01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:39,400
stranger things mm-hmm I saw or I'm

2209
01:42:44,910 --> 01:42:42,070
starting to watch The Punisher which is

2210
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,920
a pretty raw kind of show it's based on

2211
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:47,679
a Marvel comic book character who

2212
01:42:51,540 --> 01:42:49,690
becomes an Avenger after his family is

2213
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:51,550
killed and then of course there's

2214
01:42:56,850 --> 01:42:52,449
Longmire

2215
01:43:00,799 --> 01:42:56,860
that's about a sheriff in a small town

2216
01:43:04,859 --> 01:43:00,809
in Montana and he has conflicts with the

2217
01:43:07,649 --> 01:43:04,869
Native American reservation adjacent to

2218
01:43:10,580 --> 01:43:07,659
this town so that's kind of a fun show

2219
01:43:13,709 --> 01:43:10,590
because we have Starbuck as the co-star

2220
01:43:18,689 --> 01:43:13,719
anyway let's get back to the real world

2221
01:43:20,939 --> 01:43:18,699
I don't know I mean every time we hear

2222
01:43:25,319 --> 01:43:20,949
stories about well we've got an alien

2223
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:25,329
artifact or some alloy here and it just

2224
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:29,170
never seems to come to anything there's

2225
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:30,639
always some kind of question about it

2226
01:43:36,029 --> 01:43:33,010
never seems to end up being anything

2227
01:43:37,709 --> 01:43:36,039
compelling any photographs can be faked

2228
01:43:41,219 --> 01:43:37,719
and we always hear stories about that

2229
01:43:44,250 --> 01:43:41,229
and so we don't have that we have those

2230
01:43:46,620 --> 01:43:44,260
original radar visual sightings but we

2231
01:43:48,449 --> 01:43:46,630
don't have many of those anymore well

2232
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:48,459
maybe because we're looking into these

2233
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:51,420
artifacts from Andy from the wrong angle

2234
01:43:58,859 --> 01:43:54,449
right like for example when they first

2235
01:44:00,299 --> 01:43:58,869
analyzed those metal samples biking the

2236
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,309
I don't know the fifth is the

2237
01:44:05,209 --> 01:44:02,800
Sixtus or whatever yeah they discovered

2238
01:44:09,449 --> 01:44:05,219
that they were composed of a very pure

2239
01:44:12,779 --> 01:44:09,459
magnesium you know which was interesting

2240
01:44:15,089 --> 01:44:12,789
but it wasn't like you know proof that

2241
01:44:17,759 --> 01:44:15,099
it came from an extraterrestrial craft

2242
01:44:20,819 --> 01:44:17,769
because what you want there is some kind

2243
01:44:22,649 --> 01:44:20,829
of like metal that is not I don't know

2244
01:44:24,569 --> 01:44:22,659
in the periodic table that is not

2245
01:44:27,359 --> 01:44:24,579
available on earth you know you want to

2246
01:44:30,209 --> 01:44:27,369
find unobtainium you know so when you

2247
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:30,219
find you know kind of like almost went

2248
01:44:35,399 --> 01:44:33,489
on 96% pure magnesium you say well

2249
01:44:37,849 --> 01:44:35,409
that's interesting but it's not really

2250
01:44:42,469 --> 01:44:37,859
what I was looking for the same when

2251
01:44:44,579 --> 01:44:42,479
people were looking into the pancakes of

2252
01:44:46,979 --> 01:44:44,589
mr. Jo Symington

2253
01:44:48,889 --> 01:44:46,989
you know those that were given to him by

2254
01:44:52,589 --> 01:44:48,899
these what he called like

2255
01:44:55,529 --> 01:44:52,599
italian-looking you found out that you

2256
01:44:57,509 --> 01:44:55,539
know stir bother him when he was working

2257
01:45:00,619 --> 01:44:57,519
on his chicken farm and they were they

2258
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:00,629
requested some water and as payment he

2259
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:03,010
payment he asked for some of those

2260
01:45:07,559 --> 01:45:05,530
pancakes they were cooking inside of

2261
01:45:09,659 --> 01:45:07,569
their craft and I'll tell you something

2262
01:45:13,079 --> 01:45:09,669
about those pancakes I understand they

2263
01:45:17,219 --> 01:45:13,089
tasted terrible et is not very good when

2264
01:45:20,009 --> 01:45:17,229
it comes to cooking Earth Nimbus RP j je

2265
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2321
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here's Jane Steinberg so think about

2322
01:48:06,399 --> 01:48:03,150
that

2323
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these poor cooks these schlemiel who

2324
01:48:12,729 --> 01:48:08,610
haven't learned on whatever planet

2325
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:12,739
they're from how to cook properly I

2326
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remember the story Jo Symington of Eagle

2327
01:48:18,529 --> 01:48:16,590
River Wisconsin

2328
01:48:21,979 --> 01:48:18,539
I heard him interview and he seemed like

2329
01:48:23,659 --> 01:48:21,989
a normal simple guy and he was caught up

2330
01:48:25,879 --> 01:48:23,669
in this and maybe he had hoped for more

2331
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:25,889
or maybe something happened to him maybe

2332
01:48:30,529 --> 01:48:27,689
somebody was pulling a prank on him some

2333
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military guys and a test aircraft landed

2334
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:32,699
there no it doesn't none of this makes

2335
01:48:36,140 --> 01:48:33,360
any sense

2336
01:48:38,689 --> 01:48:36,150
I wonder here if it wasn't for the fact

2337
01:48:41,390 --> 01:48:38,699
that he did have the pancakes to produce

2338
01:48:44,179 --> 01:48:41,400
I think somebody was playing a prank on

2339
01:48:45,919 --> 01:48:44,189
him what's interesting about you know

2340
01:48:47,209 --> 01:48:45,929
you hear the word pancakes and you think

2341
01:48:49,790 --> 01:48:47,219
well that's kind of ridiculous you know

2342
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:49,800
we'd want something like a tricorder or

2343
01:48:54,529 --> 01:48:52,050
something like that but when when you

2344
01:48:56,359 --> 01:48:54,539
really think about it actually if the

2345
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:56,369
pancakes are made out of any kind of

2346
01:49:02,419 --> 01:48:59,280
organic material if it's not from Earth

2347
01:49:05,689 --> 01:49:02,429
you're going to be able to analyze that

2348
01:49:07,159 --> 01:49:05,699
and actually determine it's not from

2349
01:49:09,500 --> 01:49:07,169
Earth much easier than say just

2350
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:09,510
something that's made out of like you

2351
01:49:14,419 --> 01:49:11,840
were saying Miguel say highly purified

2352
01:49:15,919 --> 01:49:14,429
magnesium or aluminum or something like

2353
01:49:20,299 --> 01:49:15,929
that because we can get that here

2354
01:49:23,029 --> 01:49:20,309
anywhere but but some sort of alien DNA

2355
01:49:25,250 --> 01:49:23,039
chain that would be a whole lot harder

2356
01:49:29,029 --> 01:49:25,260
to explain so actually a pancake might

2357
01:49:32,209 --> 01:49:29,039
actually be better evidence than a chunk

2358
01:49:34,699 --> 01:49:32,219
of metal so I also wonder here is when

2359
01:49:39,140 --> 01:49:34,709
we think of alien metals we have say

2360
01:49:40,699 --> 01:49:39,150
okay unobtainium is miguel says and you

2361
01:49:43,580 --> 01:49:40,709
have to wonder here it's just possible

2362
01:49:45,679 --> 01:49:43,590
that a lot of the elements ET will use

2363
01:49:47,689 --> 01:49:45,689
are not very different from what we'd

2364
01:49:49,129 --> 01:49:47,699
use especially on their Scout ships that

2365
01:49:51,229 --> 01:49:49,139
are mostly traveling within the

2366
01:49:54,069 --> 01:49:51,239
atmosphere there's no need to use

2367
01:49:56,509 --> 01:49:54,079
anything more sophisticated so they

2368
01:49:58,850 --> 01:49:56,519
could be checked out carefully and maybe

2369
01:50:02,629 --> 01:49:58,860
their technology's way ahead of us

2370
01:50:04,910 --> 01:50:02,639
a lot of the elements that they use not

2371
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:04,920
so maybe they can make it a lot faster

2372
01:50:11,930 --> 01:50:07,920
yeah maybe maybe they can use whatever

2373
01:50:14,180 --> 01:50:11,940
material they come by while they are you

2374
01:50:18,140 --> 01:50:14,190
know survey and you know a different

2375
01:50:21,950 --> 01:50:18,150
world you like I mean let's retrace the

2376
01:50:25,220 --> 01:50:21,960
assignment on experience the UFO or the

2377
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:25,230
craft touches down there's a guy

2378
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:28,320
carrying some kinda like silver jock and

2379
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:32,850
asks for water these are the worst space

2380
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:35,010
travelers ever I mean you they're not

2381
01:50:39,129 --> 01:50:37,050
carrying their own water what it I mean

2382
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:39,139
there's steel people who are advising

2383
01:50:44,450 --> 01:50:41,610
American travelers not to taste their

2384
01:50:46,459 --> 01:50:44,460
water in Mexico and these guys from

2385
01:50:48,649 --> 01:50:46,469
forensics if they come from Alpha

2386
01:50:50,689 --> 01:50:48,659
Centauri but they have no qualms in

2387
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:50,699
drinking the water from some chicken

2388
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:53,130
farmers well well you know what might be

2389
01:50:57,890 --> 01:50:55,770
happening here they may have a chamber

2390
01:51:00,050 --> 01:50:57,900
or something and they subjected to this

2391
01:51:03,979 --> 01:51:00,060
chamber and it removes the local

2392
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:03,989
microbes here's what I entertain one day

2393
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:05,760
when I was thinking about the simontann

2394
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:08,730
story you know okay so maybe they're not

2395
01:51:14,030 --> 01:51:11,850
only traveling to from whatever they

2396
01:51:16,669 --> 01:51:14,040
come from to this world with their own

2397
01:51:19,490 --> 01:51:16,679
carrying their own water maybe they

2398
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:19,500
weren't even carrying their own floor to

2399
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:22,170
make the pancakes you know maybe the

2400
01:51:27,410 --> 01:51:24,810
week before they bother Simonson's never

2401
01:51:29,330 --> 01:51:27,420
you know and ask for floor also you know

2402
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:29,340
and they decaying I don't know what

2403
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:32,010
another drink it does payment maybe they

2404
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:33,600
don't even travel with their own bodies

2405
01:51:40,220 --> 01:51:37,170
and then is when I remembered like that

2406
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:40,230
movie k-pax with you know what's the

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01:51:44,050 --> 01:51:42,090
name of this we don't want to mention

2408
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:44,060
the actor who starred in that because he

2409
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:48,719
is in he has a few problems yeah Kevin

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01:51:54,410 --> 01:51:49,679
Spacey oops

2411
01:51:57,890 --> 01:51:54,420
so but it's a great movie because it

2412
01:52:00,680 --> 01:51:57,900
talks about this alien traveler that is

2413
01:52:04,399 --> 01:52:00,690
traveling from his home planet of k-pax

2414
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:04,409
to the earth on our photon

2415
01:52:08,839 --> 01:52:06,330
you know beam you know there's his

2416
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:08,849
traveling on light and he stuff doesn't

2417
01:52:15,530 --> 01:52:12,690
carry anything he's using whatever it is

2418
01:52:17,689 --> 01:52:15,540
she encounters here to interact with

2419
01:52:19,610 --> 01:52:17,699
humans you know I mean Richard Dolan

2420
01:52:22,820 --> 01:52:19,620
entertained the idea that maybe the

2421
01:52:25,670 --> 01:52:22,830
reason why there are tales about beings

2422
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:25,680
that look like insects or beings that

2423
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:27,330
look like reptilians is because the

2424
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:30,090
aliens are using the DNA of indigenous

2425
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:33,449
species in our planet in order to grow

2426
01:52:41,300 --> 01:52:37,290
bodies they can use here that are

2427
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:41,310
suitable for our gravity or atmosphere

2428
01:52:47,090 --> 01:52:44,489
you know our own special conditions and

2429
01:52:48,590 --> 01:52:47,100
they don't bother to travel with their

2430
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:48,600
own bodies you know they they leave

2431
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:50,489
those on their home planet did I

2432
01:52:55,550 --> 01:52:53,250
remember science fiction novel I read

2433
01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:55,560
IRA some years back I think Jack

2434
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:57,570
Williamson was the author and it was

2435
01:53:03,939 --> 01:53:00,960
about this civilization where someone

2436
01:53:08,590 --> 01:53:03,949
would download his or her consciousness

2437
01:53:11,390 --> 01:53:08,600
to a robot or shall we say some kind of

2438
01:53:13,220 --> 01:53:11,400
simulated a life-form and that's how

2439
01:53:16,010 --> 01:53:13,230
they travel they wouldn't physically

2440
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:16,020
leave their home planet they send now

2441
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:17,610
not even cloning we're talking about

2442
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:18,570
here we're talking about the

2443
01:53:22,370 --> 01:53:20,850
consciousness now I don't know whether

2444
01:53:23,810 --> 01:53:22,380
it's a duplicate of your original

2445
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:23,820
consciousness in which you went on your

2446
01:53:28,189 --> 01:53:26,010
business and then when the voyage was

2447
01:53:30,350 --> 01:53:28,199
over you just merged your consciousness

2448
01:53:32,209 --> 01:53:30,360
and had the knowledge of what happened

2449
01:53:34,010 --> 01:53:32,219
on this other planet I wouldn't make

2450
01:53:36,410 --> 01:53:34,020
assumptions about that because it's many

2451
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:36,420
many years since I read this story it's

2452
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:38,880
got to be several decades but that was

2453
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:40,800
the basic concept here and it might be

2454
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,050
we don't know how et will get here and

2455
01:53:47,780 --> 01:53:45,360
then we don't even know if what we're

2456
01:53:51,490 --> 01:53:47,790
seeing is what's there it's not just

2457
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:51,500
it's not just a robotic consciousness

2458
01:53:58,820 --> 01:53:56,130
it's not just something simulated from

2459
01:54:01,939 --> 01:53:58,830
what we have here or grown here it may

2460
01:54:04,910 --> 01:54:01,949
be that they appear in a form that we

2461
01:54:07,250 --> 01:54:04,920
accept like in the movie contact the et

2462
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:07,260
comes here and we can't accept its

2463
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:09,360
appearance or maybe they have something

2464
01:54:14,750 --> 01:54:11,730
to hide we don't know so they appear as

2465
01:54:16,850 --> 01:54:14,760
one of us so that we can be comfortable

2466
01:54:20,540 --> 01:54:16,860
dealing with them and they don't have to

2467
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:20,550
confront the reality of what they really

2468
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:23,130
look like whether that appearance would

2469
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:25,650
be drawing to us we don't know what

2470
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:26,610
alien logic

2471
01:54:30,710 --> 01:54:28,890
we don't know why they would do that it

2472
01:54:32,570 --> 01:54:30,720
may just be a simulation a complete

2473
01:54:33,140 --> 01:54:32,580
simulation not just appearing in another

2474
01:54:36,110 --> 01:54:33,150
form

2475
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:36,120
but nothing you see is what's really

2476
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:39,450
going on like a hologram yeah

2477
01:54:43,730 --> 01:54:41,250
that's quite possible I think actually

2478
01:54:45,620 --> 01:54:43,740
that to craft if we're dealing with

2479
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:45,630
craft I think they're using some sort of

2480
01:54:51,230 --> 01:54:48,930
active camouflage that is able to give

2481
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:51,240
the appearance of pretty much whatever

2482
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:54,330
they want it to be or shield it and make

2483
01:54:58,340 --> 01:54:56,370
it invisible so you get a lot of these

2484
01:55:00,380 --> 01:54:58,350
different effects which cause people to

2485
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:00,390
make assumptions that aren't really

2486
01:55:03,590 --> 01:55:01,410
correct I'll see

2487
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:03,600
oh I saw this kind of ship and that's

2488
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:05,010
what it was but it's really not that

2489
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:07,920
underneath it all under where the shell

2490
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:10,560
is maybe it's just that tic tac shaped

2491
01:55:15,230 --> 01:55:13,530
like the nimitz encounter and it only

2492
01:55:19,190 --> 01:55:15,240
takes on different shapes according to

2493
01:55:20,420 --> 01:55:19,200
what it needs at the time or we fill in

2494
01:55:22,370 --> 01:55:20,430
the details and you know like the

2495
01:55:25,370 --> 01:55:22,380
co-creation theory that Greg Bishop

2496
01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:25,380
talks about you yeah how much of what is

2497
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:28,260
projected you know is brought by by

2498
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:30,450
ourselves you know or our mental baggage

2499
01:55:37,490 --> 01:55:34,800
or cultural idiosyncrasies you know like

2500
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:37,500
Greg Bishop postulates you know we're

2501
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:41,130
probably not mere passive observers when

2502
01:55:46,910 --> 01:55:43,530
we are seeing something that it's

2503
01:55:49,670 --> 01:55:46,920
completely outside of our normal

2504
01:55:51,980 --> 01:55:49,680
expectations well that's true there are

2505
01:55:55,310 --> 01:55:51,990
a number of cases where people who are

2506
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:55,320
witnesses to a UFO event experience this

2507
01:55:59,720 --> 01:55:57,090
telepathic connection that you talked

2508
01:56:02,330 --> 01:55:59,730
about earlier and actually seem to get

2509
01:56:04,730 --> 01:56:02,340
some kind of feedback from the object in

2510
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:04,740
terms of its movement it'll come closer

2511
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:07,410
maybe go further away I've experienced

2512
01:56:12,530 --> 01:56:09,210
that myself in one case it was pretty

2513
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:12,540
weird so who knows it's possible that

2514
01:56:16,700 --> 01:56:14,010
they can pick up on our brainwaves and

2515
01:56:18,710 --> 01:56:16,710
read them somehow and and respond you

2516
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:18,720
know that doesn't seem to be beyond the

2517
01:56:28,130 --> 01:56:23,490
realm of possibility yeah I remember the

2518
01:56:29,410 --> 01:56:28,140
Martian Chronicles by mr. what's the

2519
01:56:32,630 --> 01:56:29,420
name of the the author had Barry

2520
01:56:34,940 --> 01:56:32,640
Bradbury yeah thank you and there's a

2521
01:56:38,210 --> 01:56:34,950
lot of things that he wrote in that book

2522
01:56:40,500 --> 01:56:38,220
that seems to be very similar to what

2523
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:40,510
people report in the UFO

2524
01:56:44,399 --> 01:56:42,610
experience and that's the story of you

2525
01:56:47,970 --> 01:56:44,409
know of the Martian that is capable of

2526
01:56:50,839 --> 01:56:47,980
shape his form you know according to the

2527
01:56:54,839 --> 01:56:50,849
desires of the people who are you know

2528
01:56:57,390 --> 01:56:54,849
his who are watching him you know some

2529
01:57:01,410 --> 01:56:57,400
for some people he's it he becomes that

2530
01:57:04,620 --> 01:57:01,420
the lost the long dead wife for others

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01:57:07,850 --> 01:57:04,630
his his son who went away and you know

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for other cities you know spouse and and

2533
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:10,510
it's kind of yeah in the end it's it's

2534
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neither of those you know it's something

2535
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:14,230
that we not cannot comprehend and it's

2536
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:16,239
just kind of like the way that he

2537
01:57:23,430 --> 01:57:19,210
projects in order not to to do almost to

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defend himself we we have more come with

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for his internet to arrive and I think

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02:03:02,520 --> 02:02:58,690
the internet is driving a horse-drawn

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02:03:05,850 --> 02:03:02,530
carriage from California and he'll be

2672
02:03:08,490 --> 02:03:05,860
there in about twelve years so if and

2673
02:03:10,020 --> 02:03:08,500
when he gets here and I know Chris had

2674
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:10,030
that same problem when he moved to a

2675
02:03:14,970 --> 02:03:12,970
place in Cottonwood Arizona not far back

2676
02:03:16,410 --> 02:03:14,980
where it just took forever for the

2677
02:03:18,020 --> 02:03:16,420
internet to follow him maybe there's

2678
02:03:21,570 --> 02:03:18,030
something there he's generating a vibe

2679
02:03:24,630 --> 02:03:21,580
no internet that's it

2680
02:03:27,300 --> 02:03:24,640
I'm seeing here but since we had this

2681
02:03:30,170 --> 02:03:27,310
crazy news of the Pentagon UFO study and

2682
02:03:34,530 --> 02:03:30,180
everything I don't hear much from the

2683
02:03:36,810 --> 02:03:34,540
disclosure lobbyists do you know Cameron

2684
02:03:39,150 --> 02:03:36,820
did an interview where he was talking

2685
02:03:41,700 --> 02:03:39,160
about it but pretty much all the same

2686
02:03:43,650 --> 02:03:41,710
stuff that he usually talks about well

2687
02:03:45,390 --> 02:03:43,660
we saw how that worked out and by

2688
02:03:50,190 --> 02:03:45,400
waiting one other thing I noticed is

2689
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:50,200
that the number of investments for the

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02:03:53,340 --> 02:03:52,450
to the stars Academy of Arts and

2691
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:53,350
Sciences

2692
02:03:59,880 --> 02:03:56,650
it's not grown at all in quite some time

2693
02:04:01,980 --> 02:03:59,890
yeah yeah from that point of view it was

2694
02:04:04,410 --> 02:04:01,990
a complete failure you all right after

2695
02:04:07,410 --> 02:04:04,420
all these months they haven't crossed

2696
02:04:09,030 --> 02:04:07,420
the three million mark you know they

2697
02:04:11,730 --> 02:04:09,040
need to cough up the rest of the videos

2698
02:04:13,170 --> 02:04:11,740
that at the crystal clear images and all

2699
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:13,180
of this stuff to go along with it I

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02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:15,490
think before more people are going to

2701
02:04:18,240 --> 02:04:17,410
take it seriously enough to put anything

2702
02:04:20,220 --> 02:04:18,250
into that

2703
02:04:22,350 --> 02:04:20,230
well yeah also the fact that those

2704
02:04:24,330 --> 02:04:22,360
videos you know first of all the

2705
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:24,340
apparently they have been around and the

2706
02:04:31,860 --> 02:04:28,450
internet before to the stars launch

2707
02:04:34,410 --> 02:04:31,870
right it's just that now that they were

2708
02:04:38,190 --> 02:04:34,420
you know huh had a new kind of

2709
02:04:41,460 --> 02:04:38,200
endorsement but they didn't have the

2710
02:04:44,070 --> 02:04:41,470
actual official endorsement from the

2711
02:04:46,260 --> 02:04:44,080
Pentagon like they were saying we didn't

2712
02:04:49,950 --> 02:04:46,270
release those videos we don't know how

2713
02:04:53,010 --> 02:04:49,960
they got online so apparently they were

2714
02:04:54,990 --> 02:04:53,020
either retrieved by Allison dough you

2715
02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:55,000
know Louisa Lassonde back when he was

2716
02:05:01,320 --> 02:04:58,960
still at the desk of that Pentagon

2717
02:05:03,330 --> 02:05:01,330
threat assessment program I don't

2718
02:05:07,380 --> 02:05:03,340
remember the acronym believe me you

2719
02:05:10,230 --> 02:05:07,390
don't have to yeah but it's not really

2720
02:05:13,110 --> 02:05:10,240
the slam dunk that they actually need it

2721
02:05:15,630 --> 02:05:13,120
or they actually promised you know yeah

2722
02:05:17,790 --> 02:05:15,640
it's just a taste and they they have

2723
02:05:21,180 --> 02:05:17,800
said that they've got this other stuff

2724
02:05:23,700 --> 02:05:21,190
but let's see it then just keeping it

2725
02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:23,710
under wraps I mean what is it either

2726
02:05:28,140 --> 02:05:25,840
they how do they don't have it so which

2727
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:28,150
is it and this is the problem we run

2728
02:05:33,660 --> 02:05:30,010
into in the UFO field all the time

2729
02:05:36,210 --> 02:05:33,670
someone has the bee's knees all the

2730
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:36,220
evidence we'd ever want where is it

2731
02:05:41,820 --> 02:05:38,490
sometimes you get a rough and ready

2732
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:41,830
sample which can be anything and that's

2733
02:05:46,620 --> 02:05:43,930
it it disappears will this group

2734
02:05:48,660 --> 02:05:46,630
disappear after the flurry of publicity

2735
02:05:51,060 --> 02:05:48,670
is gone I mean you don't hear about it

2736
02:05:53,370 --> 02:05:51,070
much now I think we've given them more

2737
02:05:54,750 --> 02:05:53,380
publicity on this episode of the para

2738
02:05:58,010 --> 02:05:54,760
cast and they've had in weeks

2739
02:06:01,440 --> 02:05:58,020
well George Knapp still thin are running

2740
02:06:06,660 --> 02:06:01,450
stories about about it I think that this

2741
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:06,670
week he show a clip which he interviewed

2742
02:06:12,060 --> 02:06:07,450
Louie Ellis

2743
02:06:17,610 --> 02:06:12,070
and they discussed the issue of metal

2744
02:06:19,770 --> 02:06:17,620
alloys and he also quoted how poof up

2745
02:06:20,940 --> 02:06:19,780
with the idea that yeah what they

2746
02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:20,950
discovered wasn't what they were

2747
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:24,610
expecting and that the alloys almost

2748
02:06:30,300 --> 02:06:26,650
looked as if they were had been you know

2749
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:30,310
created layer after after layer which to

2750
02:06:35,070 --> 02:06:33,370
me kind of validates what ballet was

2751
02:06:37,740 --> 02:06:35,080
think saying you know about these

2752
02:06:39,870 --> 02:06:37,750
isotopes showing that the metals have

2753
02:06:43,590 --> 02:06:39,880
been region here at the molecular level

2754
02:06:47,090 --> 02:06:43,600
which makes me suspect even further that

2755
02:06:52,770 --> 02:06:47,100
maybe at some point ballet was indeed

2756
02:06:55,730 --> 02:06:52,780
part of Bigelow's initiative when they

2757
02:06:58,350 --> 02:06:55,740
were you know putting together this

2758
02:07:00,150 --> 02:06:58,360
contract for the Pentagon yeah I don't

2759
02:07:02,430 --> 02:07:00,160
know that that necessarily means that

2760
02:07:04,920 --> 02:07:02,440
we're dealing with any sort of alien

2761
02:07:08,300 --> 02:07:04,930
artifact though I mean right now our own

2762
02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:08,310
science can layer individual molecules

2763
02:07:13,410 --> 02:07:11,890
we're crossing with well dropping they

2764
02:07:16,830 --> 02:07:13,420
do with graphene it's not that expensive

2765
02:07:20,490 --> 02:07:16,840
one of the best examples is the bobwhite

2766
02:07:22,890 --> 02:07:20,500
artifact and people were saying much the

2767
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:22,900
same thing about that it's a strange

2768
02:07:29,330 --> 02:07:25,930
ratio of materials and it's layered in

2769
02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:29,340
very intricate ways that no normal

2770
02:07:36,300 --> 02:07:33,280
device on the planet would be made of or

2771
02:07:39,180 --> 02:07:36,310
used for and some of the skeptics went

2772
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:39,190
digging around and and found out I'm

2773
02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:42,010
convinced what it actually is and it's

2774
02:07:47,400 --> 02:07:44,770
just a concretion of grinding materials

2775
02:07:50,190 --> 02:07:47,410
from an industrial manufacturing plant

2776
02:07:51,870 --> 02:07:50,200
that it comes off the Machine and they

2777
02:07:54,450 --> 02:07:51,880
have all kinds of different metals and

2778
02:07:58,380 --> 02:07:54,460
over time they built up like a

2779
02:08:00,090 --> 02:07:58,390
stalagmite and then he managed to get

2780
02:08:01,950 --> 02:08:00,100
his hands on one and of course it looks

2781
02:08:04,980 --> 02:08:01,960
weird and it's going to have all the

2782
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:04,990
kinds of different materials in it so

2783
02:08:09,390 --> 02:08:07,360
you wouldn't expect because it's come

2784
02:08:12,420 --> 02:08:09,400
from a machine that's been used to make

2785
02:08:13,770 --> 02:08:12,430
all kinds of different things so but I

2786
02:08:15,210 --> 02:08:13,780
mean he's still going around and people

2787
02:08:17,370 --> 02:08:15,220
still believe that that came from a

2788
02:08:20,330 --> 02:08:17,380
flying saucer I mean you really need

2789
02:08:22,730 --> 02:08:20,340
more than than just a piece of metal

2790
02:08:26,510 --> 02:08:22,740
sure then again you know we know that

2791
02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:26,520
the phenomenon is self negating by

2792
02:08:33,710 --> 02:08:29,520
nature you know it it operates through

2793
02:08:36,500 --> 02:08:33,720
deception you know so here's a question

2794
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:36,510
for you have you got any kind of in the

2795
02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:37,770
this this is really interesting because

2796
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:39,210
where we kind of left off with the

2797
02:08:47,150 --> 02:08:42,930
active camouflage and the seeming

2798
02:08:49,130 --> 02:08:47,160
ability of the whatever the aliens are

2799
02:08:51,590 --> 02:08:49,140
the alien craft whatever it is to be

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02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:51,600
able to pick up on the fact that they're

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02:08:58,250 --> 02:08:54,930
being observed and adapt to being

2802
02:09:00,200 --> 02:08:58,260
observed kind of implies that they can

2803
02:09:01,940 --> 02:09:00,210
make themselves appear to be pretty much

2804
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:01,950
whatever they want to be when they want

2805
02:09:07,250 --> 02:09:04,530
to do that and if that's the case it

2806
02:09:09,800 --> 02:09:07,260
could explain a whole bunch of phenomena

2807
02:09:12,980 --> 02:09:09,810
that we don't even think of as being

2808
02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:12,990
associated with the UFO phenomena it

2809
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could be kind of like the gateway

2810
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:17,780
through to kind of a grand unification

2811
02:09:23,450 --> 02:09:20,400
theory have you got any ideas on that

2812
02:09:25,930 --> 02:09:23,460
sort of thing yeah totally I mean yeah I

2813
02:09:30,590 --> 02:09:25,940
mean what what some people may be

2814
02:09:33,260 --> 02:09:30,600
interpreted as UFO operate ghosts

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apparitions maybe just away from the

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phenomenon to either shield itself or

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effect or a desired expectation you know

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and at the same time read about cases

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that were investigated by you know

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credit you know you if you follow G is

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become trucks trucks become UFOs it's

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like you have this vintage car in the TV

2948
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show super girl from the CW and it turns

2949
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out the Martian Manhunter who is a

2950
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shapeshifter

2951
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can be reshaped in its natural form

2952
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which is that of a spaceship mm-hmm of

2953
02:15:23,190 --> 02:15:21,070
course it also reminds me of the men in

2954
02:15:26,370 --> 02:15:23,200
black movies where the black Cadillac

2955
02:15:27,570 --> 02:15:26,380
could transform we're talking about you

2956
02:15:29,460 --> 02:15:27,580
know something like the movie

2957
02:15:31,530 --> 02:15:29,470
Transformers you know did the robots are

2958
02:15:35,160 --> 02:15:31,540
well then talk about I'm talking about

2959
02:15:37,380 --> 02:15:35,170
the men in black movie sure are we

2960
02:15:38,640 --> 02:15:37,390
dealing with a molecular transformation

2961
02:15:40,350 --> 02:15:38,650
or are we dealing with an active

2962
02:15:43,170 --> 02:15:40,360
camouflage like say in the Terminator

2963
02:15:46,500 --> 02:15:43,180
you had what was it the t4 or whatever

2964
02:15:49,200 --> 02:15:46,510
was some sort of nano material that

2965
02:15:50,940 --> 02:15:49,210
could could transform itself into

2966
02:15:53,280 --> 02:15:50,950
different shapes literally at the

2967
02:15:55,140 --> 02:15:53,290
molecular level type of thing

2968
02:16:00,030 --> 02:15:55,150
you see that's what actor Robert Patrick

2969
02:16:02,850 --> 02:16:00,040
really looks like well here we are where

2970
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we are trying to find still trying to

2971
02:16:06,780 --> 02:16:03,880
find a material

2972
02:16:10,770 --> 02:16:06,790
the explanation for it you know whereas

2973
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:10,780
I would like also to entertain older

2974
02:16:16,979 --> 02:16:13,810
more you know unconventional ideas you

2975
02:16:19,020 --> 02:16:16,989
know that these are some type of mental

2976
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:19,030
projection a mental projection that I

2977
02:16:25,470 --> 02:16:23,920
can actually have solidity or mass you

2978
02:16:28,200 --> 02:16:25,480
know and interact with our world you

2979
02:16:31,260 --> 02:16:28,210
know maybe even leave some kind of mark

2980
02:16:35,160 --> 02:16:31,270
on the ground maybe even burn the grass

2981
02:16:36,929 --> 02:16:35,170
I don't know I know what I reckon ISM

2982
02:16:39,330 --> 02:16:36,939
would be responsible for that I don't

2983
02:16:42,660 --> 02:16:39,340
know I mean you're asking me to try to

2984
02:16:46,620 --> 02:16:42,670
do to explain away the the mechanisms

2985
02:16:50,219 --> 02:16:46,630
for magic you know and it's kind of a

2986
02:16:53,549 --> 02:16:50,229
tall order but it's just a proposal you

2987
02:16:56,759 --> 02:16:53,559
know I think that's getting into

2988
02:16:58,919 --> 02:16:56,769
dangerous territory there why there are

2989
02:17:02,190 --> 02:16:58,929
people who are trying to make that

2990
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:02,200
bridge between materialistic science and

2991
02:17:08,400 --> 02:17:05,889
what we used to call magic and you know

2992
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:08,410
scientists like Dean Radin he is going

2993
02:17:13,709 --> 02:17:11,170
to publish a book I think it's probably

2994
02:17:17,400 --> 02:17:13,719
coming in the next few months that is

2995
02:17:20,730 --> 02:17:17,410
that is tied to real magic that is

2996
02:17:23,190 --> 02:17:20,740
almost coming out of the mystic closet

2997
02:17:26,190 --> 02:17:23,200
and saying yeah what parapsychologists

2998
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:26,200
and the scientists like myself have been

2999
02:17:32,669 --> 02:17:30,160
measuring in the lab through proper you

3000
02:17:35,549 --> 02:17:32,679
know laboratory and scientific

3001
02:17:38,759 --> 02:17:35,559
conditions is what you know mystics and

3002
02:17:41,730 --> 02:17:38,769
Shannon's and psychics have been

3003
02:17:44,310 --> 02:17:41,740
credited with doing for hundreds if not

3004
02:17:46,860 --> 02:17:44,320
thousands of years it's the thing it's

3005
02:17:52,980 --> 02:17:46,870
the same thing just explain the way

3006
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:52,990
under different terms so if we're

3007
02:17:57,600 --> 02:17:55,090
suggesting that somehow the mind has the

3008
02:18:00,179 --> 02:17:57,610
power to psychically manifest material

3009
02:18:02,070 --> 02:18:00,189
reality I think more people would know

3010
02:18:04,379 --> 02:18:02,080
about that because there's billions of

3011
02:18:07,230 --> 02:18:04,389
people on the planet with minds probably

3012
02:18:10,589 --> 02:18:07,240
a lot more powerful than than well you

3013
02:18:13,620 --> 02:18:10,599
know you know people manifested this

3014
02:18:16,139 --> 02:18:13,630
dopa that is running the White House and

3015
02:18:18,980 --> 02:18:16,149
has a red cap that says make America

3016
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:22,980
that might actually explain it and I'm

3017
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:25,210
not sure which which element of the

3018
02:18:31,560 --> 02:18:28,000
American Society mana means that that

3019
02:18:33,960 --> 02:18:31,570
particular I feel that everybody's

3020
02:18:35,940 --> 02:18:33,970
capable of doing this but nobody not

3021
02:18:40,280 --> 02:18:35,950
everybody is capable of controlling it

3022
02:18:43,860 --> 02:18:40,290
that maybe all of us are doing it in an

3023
02:18:48,390 --> 02:18:43,870
unconscious kind of way but that we are

3024
02:18:50,580 --> 02:18:48,400
only manifesting the worst aspect of our

3025
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:50,590
expectations of our of our you know

3026
02:18:57,120 --> 02:18:52,810
fears you know maybe that's why we're

3027
02:18:59,430 --> 02:18:57,130
now closer to not nuclear Armageddon

3028
02:19:01,500 --> 02:18:59,440
than we were when I was younger you know

3029
02:19:04,170 --> 02:19:01,510
when I was just a child and watched a

3030
02:19:06,570 --> 02:19:04,180
movie the day after back in the 1980s

3031
02:19:09,810 --> 02:19:06,580
and it completely traumatized me you

3032
02:19:13,380 --> 02:19:09,820
know and and maybe that's why you know

3033
02:19:15,720 --> 02:19:13,390
where were having all these problems you

3034
02:19:18,060 --> 02:19:15,730
know maybe maybe we are I know that

3035
02:19:20,640 --> 02:19:18,070
sounds you age it sounds kind of like

3036
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:20,650
the secret kind of like people saying oh

3037
02:19:25,080 --> 02:19:22,810
yeah if you manifest you can manifest

3038
02:19:27,450 --> 02:19:25,090
your reality and if you and if you think

3039
02:19:29,970 --> 02:19:27,460
about it you can have a mansion and you

3040
02:19:33,720 --> 02:19:29,980
can have a Mercedes Benz whatever you

3041
02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:33,730
want if you just projected or think

3042
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:36,610
about it that are unreal it it's not

3043
02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:39,040
necessarily what I'm saying what are you

3044
02:19:47,750 --> 02:19:43,770
saying then it's if you say I feel that

3045
02:19:50,700 --> 02:19:47,760
definitely reality is kind of like

3046
02:19:52,591 --> 02:19:50,710
consensual hallucination that would be

3047
02:19:57,660 --> 02:19:52,601
our subjective reality but what are you

3048
02:20:01,591 --> 02:19:57,670
saying I mean think about it Randall the

3049
02:20:04,290 --> 02:20:01,601
human when you put someone on an MRI

3050
02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:04,300
machine and you give them you know five

3051
02:20:09,631 --> 02:20:06,210
milligrams of mushrooms or whatever

3052
02:20:12,360 --> 02:20:09,641
instead instead of seeing a decrease of

3053
02:20:14,511 --> 02:20:12,370
brain activity an increase of brain

3054
02:20:18,150 --> 02:20:14,521
activity you actually see a decrease

3055
02:20:21,890 --> 02:20:18,160
which kind of suggests that the brain

3056
02:20:23,850 --> 02:20:21,900
instead of generating or or you know

3057
02:20:29,341 --> 02:20:23,860
hallucinations when you are tripping

3058
02:20:31,710 --> 02:20:29,351
it's kind of like numbing down that the

3059
02:20:34,650 --> 02:20:31,720
brain is kind of like filtering

3060
02:20:39,090 --> 02:20:34,660
all these information that otherwise

3061
02:20:42,269 --> 02:20:39,100
will overwhelmed you right well the

3062
02:20:45,450 --> 02:20:42,279
brain is in a neuro processor so you

3063
02:20:49,740 --> 02:20:45,460
know the effects of psychedelics on the

3064
02:20:51,929 --> 02:20:49,750
brain is pretty well understood we're

3065
02:20:56,130 --> 02:20:51,939
just starting to with just having the

3066
02:20:58,769 --> 02:20:56,140
tools to try to to understand it at and

3067
02:21:00,570 --> 02:20:58,779
even you know an MRI machine to see okay

3068
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:00,580
you're another you see there's an

3069
02:21:05,580 --> 02:21:03,130
increase in activity well now I mean you

3070
02:21:07,170 --> 02:21:05,590
see in an increasing blood flow but that

3071
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:07,180
doesn't mean that's necessarily an

3072
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:09,010
increase in activity and at the same

3073
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:10,810
time you know you're seeing the increase

3074
02:21:15,900 --> 02:21:12,970
in activity but is more difficult to try

3075
02:21:18,599 --> 02:21:15,910
to determine that be the songs where

3076
02:21:20,370 --> 02:21:18,609
there is a decrease in activity okay

3077
02:21:22,139 --> 02:21:20,380
here's here's the way I think about this

3078
02:21:24,450 --> 02:21:22,149
tell me what you think about this I'm

3079
02:21:26,700 --> 02:21:24,460
the kind of person like I said critical

3080
02:21:29,790 --> 02:21:26,710
thinking if this is possible to manifest

3081
02:21:33,990 --> 02:21:29,800
some sort of objectively real thing into

3082
02:21:37,679 --> 02:21:34,000
our realm using our mind that has to

3083
02:21:39,769 --> 02:21:37,689
suggest that there's a mechanism for the

3084
02:21:42,210 --> 02:21:39,779
universe that is responsible for

3085
02:21:43,950 --> 02:21:42,220
manifesting everything in the universe

3086
02:21:47,429 --> 02:21:43,960
that's around it's not just ourselves

3087
02:21:49,650 --> 02:21:47,439
and this somehow because we're connected

3088
02:21:53,070 --> 02:21:49,660
to the universe but virtue of being in

3089
02:21:55,740 --> 02:21:53,080
it perhaps if this is something like

3090
02:21:59,219 --> 02:21:55,750
let's say like a matrix where we started

3091
02:22:02,309 --> 02:21:59,229
off with maybe somehow certain people

3092
02:22:06,510 --> 02:22:02,319
are able to tap into the operating

3093
02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:06,520
system and give it an instruction set in

3094
02:22:10,979 --> 02:22:08,800
a way that we're not really familiar

3095
02:22:13,380 --> 02:22:10,989
with but our minds are like a

3096
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:13,390
supercomputer so maybe if the universe

3097
02:22:18,080 --> 02:22:16,090
is an even bigger supercomputer there's

3098
02:22:20,490 --> 02:22:18,090
a way for it to link up and

3099
02:22:23,370 --> 02:22:20,500
hypothetically then it should be able to

3100
02:22:27,330 --> 02:22:23,380
actually just do exactly that manifest

3101
02:22:31,500 --> 02:22:27,340
manna from heaven or whatever and our

3102
02:22:34,200 --> 02:22:31,510
minds just have only the most limited

3103
02:22:37,740 --> 02:22:34,210
ability to tap into that but maybe

3104
02:22:41,820 --> 02:22:37,750
perhaps when we invent AI and we get an

3105
02:22:44,250 --> 02:22:41,830
intelligence that's thousand times more

3106
02:22:45,469 --> 02:22:44,260
intelligent than we are it might be able

3107
02:22:47,660 --> 02:22:45,479
to tap into

3108
02:22:51,230 --> 02:22:47,670
in that way and do all kinds of things

3109
02:22:53,630 --> 02:22:51,240
that are miraculous and so this is a way

3110
02:22:57,320 --> 02:22:53,640
that you might be able to explain it in

3111
02:23:00,860 --> 02:22:57,330
a rational way in instead of appealing

3112
02:23:02,660 --> 02:23:00,870
just to magic but we do need yeah we do

3113
02:23:05,390 --> 02:23:02,670
need to find that bridge you know with

3114
02:23:10,370 --> 02:23:05,400
between you know magical language and

3115
02:23:12,679 --> 02:23:10,380
and our our way to rationalize things

3116
02:23:16,190 --> 02:23:12,689
you know I mean there's there's there's

3117
02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:16,200
guys like st. Joseph of Cupertino this

3118
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is a Catholic saint who was created to

3119
02:23:25,370 --> 02:23:22,140
be able to levitate oh they did dude

3120
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could fly and apparently he wasn't the

3121
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brightest bulb you know in the

3122
02:23:33,830 --> 02:23:30,930
chandelier you know it was kind of like

3123
02:23:35,660 --> 02:23:33,840
a dolt maybe was one of the reason why

3124
02:23:37,310 --> 02:23:35,670
he could fly you know he didn't

3125
02:23:44,179 --> 02:23:37,320
understand what the law no he couldn't

3126
02:23:46,550 --> 02:23:44,189
so in the Looney Tunes you know cartoons

3127
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when wily coyote is still you know

3128
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running out of thin air until he

3129
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realizes oh you know I'm out of the

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the and telecare calm virtual care

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this is Jacques Vallee and you're

3225
02:28:56,780 --> 02:28:48,960
listening to the podcast the gold

3226
02:28:59,300 --> 02:28:56,790
standard of paranormal radio final

3227
02:29:01,790 --> 02:28:59,310
segment with red pill junky and our

3228
02:29:03,020 --> 02:29:01,800
guest co-hosts Jay Randall Murphy I do

3229
02:29:04,370 --> 02:29:03,030
have a second show that you didn't

3230
02:29:06,410 --> 02:29:04,380
realize that actually it's a third show

3231
02:29:09,290 --> 02:29:06,420
because the second show is after the

3232
02:29:13,310 --> 02:29:09,300
power cast but if you're interested in

3233
02:29:16,040 --> 02:29:13,320
personal technology the technology for

3234
02:29:19,160 --> 02:29:16,050
about three thousand years no it's

3235
02:29:21,800 --> 02:29:19,170
something like fifteen years all the way

3236
02:29:23,719 --> 02:29:21,810
back to the abacus eighteen yeah as a

3237
02:29:26,660 --> 02:29:23,729
matter of fact we used to use that as a

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02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:26,670
timer an abacus we couldn't use a

3239
02:29:32,540 --> 02:29:28,890
digital clock that's how we do it with

3240
02:29:34,520 --> 02:29:32,550
it tech night our live and then we open

3241
02:29:36,860 --> 02:29:34,530
the windows everybody on the show and we

3242
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:36,870
yell real loud Lee and that's how people

3243
02:29:41,900 --> 02:29:40,290
hear the show fifteen years and with

3244
02:29:46,370 --> 02:29:41,910
this episode by the way we complete

3245
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:46,380
twelve years of the para cast wow that's

3246
02:29:49,850 --> 02:29:47,040
amazing

3247
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:49,860
yeah I think about it haven't missed an

3248
02:29:55,010 --> 02:29:52,560
episode this week I came close because I

3249
02:29:57,860 --> 02:29:55,020
came down with a bit of a flu which is

3250
02:30:00,500 --> 02:29:57,870
weird because I was taking an antibiotic

3251
02:30:02,990 --> 02:30:00,510
for an infection which he had to take

3252
02:30:04,969 --> 02:30:03,000
like ten days even if you've been cured

3253
02:30:07,250 --> 02:30:04,979
of it and then after ten days I stopped

3254
02:30:10,810 --> 02:30:07,260
and then within a couple of days I got

3255
02:30:13,100 --> 02:30:10,820
the flu explains how that works the

3256
02:30:14,690 --> 02:30:13,110
antibiotics kill off your immune system

3257
02:30:17,150 --> 02:30:14,700
so that you're more vulnerable to all

3258
02:30:19,250 --> 02:30:17,160
the bugs so as soon as you quit taking

3259
02:30:20,960 --> 02:30:19,260
it then you start getting every disease

3260
02:30:21,710 --> 02:30:20,970
you've had since you were five years old

3261
02:30:25,610 --> 02:30:21,720
all over again

3262
02:30:27,710 --> 02:30:25,620
by the way we got a one question for rpj

3263
02:30:32,929 --> 02:30:27,720
in the forums randall if you want to

3264
02:30:36,440 --> 02:30:32,939
look that up yeah I had the page and and

3265
02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:36,450
I moved it so let me yeah I just wanted

3266
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:38,640
to finish up with that Joseph of

3267
02:30:43,790 --> 02:30:41,370
Cupertino think that I had according to

3268
02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:43,800
the Anna wasp asuka in her upcoming book

3269
02:30:49,250 --> 02:30:46,890
American cosmic there are people in both

3270
02:30:52,990 --> 02:30:49,260
the military and the private sector who

3271
02:30:54,630 --> 02:30:53,000
do look into these ancient stories of

3272
02:30:58,510 --> 02:30:54,640
levitating moong

3273
02:31:01,420 --> 02:30:58,520
by locating noms very seriously they try

3274
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:01,430
to see if they can use that or there

3275
02:31:09,449 --> 02:31:05,930
they can actually find a way to to

3276
02:31:13,569 --> 02:31:09,459
exploit those kind of abilities

3277
02:31:17,949 --> 02:31:13,579
you found it Randall yes I have and it's

3278
02:31:19,359 --> 02:31:17,959
from Marduk and he asks rpj what kind of

3279
02:31:22,090 --> 02:31:19,369
feedback have you gotten from your

3280
02:31:23,889 --> 02:31:22,100
contribution to reframing the debate and

3281
02:31:27,429 --> 02:31:23,899
what did you learn from the experience

3282
02:31:31,750 --> 02:31:27,439
and where are you at now in your

3283
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:31,760
thinking okay so the feedback that we

3284
02:31:37,750 --> 02:31:34,010
got from reframing and debate not just

3285
02:31:40,689 --> 02:31:37,760
me but everybody who contributed to it

3286
02:31:43,389 --> 02:31:40,699
to the anthology was kind of like a mix

3287
02:31:46,719 --> 02:31:43,399
tack which was to be expected some

3288
02:31:47,769 --> 02:31:46,729
people highly praised it some people

3289
02:31:50,229 --> 02:31:47,779
hated it

3290
02:31:54,219 --> 02:31:50,239
some people said that we weren't really

3291
02:31:57,489 --> 02:31:54,229
saying if anything new some people say

3292
02:32:02,409 --> 02:31:57,499
that we actually we're you know giving a

3293
02:32:06,010 --> 02:32:02,419
bit of fresh air to the stale state of

3294
02:32:08,769 --> 02:32:06,020
ethology and I think that the reality is

3295
02:32:12,579 --> 02:32:08,779
that you know there was a bit of all of

3296
02:32:18,069 --> 02:32:12,589
that you know I I feel that on overall

3297
02:32:20,409 --> 02:32:18,079
the response was positive from the few

3298
02:32:21,969 --> 02:32:20,419
people who actually you know bothered to

3299
02:32:24,639 --> 02:32:21,979
purchase the book because this is

3300
02:32:27,819 --> 02:32:24,649
definitely not ufology 101 you know this

3301
02:32:30,010 --> 02:32:27,829
is kind of like an advanced course or

3302
02:32:33,039 --> 02:32:30,020
for people who had been interested in

3303
02:32:34,539 --> 02:32:33,049
the subject for more than a few years

3304
02:32:36,789 --> 02:32:34,549
you know this is not this wouldn't be

3305
02:32:39,399 --> 02:32:36,799
the first book that you will pick from

3306
02:32:41,199 --> 02:32:39,409
the bookstore you know if you start to

3307
02:32:45,340 --> 02:32:41,209
have an interest in the subject yeah

3308
02:32:49,289 --> 02:32:45,350
that's okay what I learned from it is

3309
02:32:53,829 --> 02:32:49,299
that okay yeah you know I can actually

3310
02:32:57,279 --> 02:32:53,839
write an essay in a book you know

3311
02:33:00,609 --> 02:32:57,289
something that five years ago I wouldn't

3312
02:33:03,250 --> 02:33:00,619
have dare to do and from there you know

3313
02:33:06,130 --> 02:33:03,260
whether I can actually go and write the

3314
02:33:08,469 --> 02:33:06,140
whole book by myself maybe is just a

3315
02:33:11,950 --> 02:33:08,479
small step I'm still consider

3316
02:33:15,010 --> 02:33:11,960
where are Matt's with my way of thinking

3317
02:33:17,410 --> 02:33:15,020
well that's an hasn't changed that much

3318
02:33:19,630 --> 02:33:17,420
obviously I'm digesting the thing the

3319
02:33:22,260 --> 02:33:19,640
new things that have appeared on the

3320
02:33:25,479 --> 02:33:22,270
field that the long thing and and

3321
02:33:29,590 --> 02:33:25,489
duvalier thing and other things and I'm

3322
02:33:33,010 --> 02:33:29,600
also listening to voices that are

3323
02:33:35,410 --> 02:33:33,020
outside of the UFO field that which I

3324
02:33:38,290 --> 02:33:35,420
think is maybe maybe more even more

3325
02:33:41,229 --> 02:33:38,300
important we would just discussed all

3326
02:33:43,689 --> 02:33:41,239
statements who is a mycologist and a

3327
02:33:45,580 --> 02:33:43,699
fascinating individual ders there is an

3328
02:33:48,639 --> 02:33:45,590
interview on the Joe Rogan experience

3329
02:33:52,500 --> 02:33:48,649
which I highly recommend there is and

3330
02:33:55,300 --> 02:33:52,510
also another individual dr. Bruce Damer

3331
02:33:57,460 --> 02:33:55,310
or tamer I don't know how to pronounce

3332
02:34:00,550 --> 02:33:57,470
his name I guess is de Mer and he's

3333
02:34:03,700 --> 02:34:00,560
Canadian but he is living in the United

3334
02:34:06,880 --> 02:34:03,710
States and he's involved in shaping up

3335
02:34:09,880 --> 02:34:06,890
and designing NASA space missions and

3336
02:34:12,399 --> 02:34:09,890
how to manage how to retrieve asteroids

3337
02:34:14,859 --> 02:34:12,409
and even you know he's publishing papers

3338
02:34:18,010 --> 02:34:14,869
about trying to explain the origin of

3339
02:34:20,109 --> 02:34:18,020
life in this planet and he seems to be

3340
02:34:22,139 --> 02:34:20,119
something of a mystic you know I mean

3341
02:34:25,569 --> 02:34:22,149
because he comes up with these all these

3342
02:34:28,029 --> 02:34:25,579
mental models not not through hard work

3343
02:34:32,139 --> 02:34:28,039
you know but more like a missionary

3344
02:34:34,179 --> 02:34:32,149
experience almost like what Nikola Tesla

3345
02:34:37,059 --> 02:34:34,189
is credited with doing you know if

3346
02:34:39,399 --> 02:34:37,069
Nikola Tesla was able to envision all of

3347
02:34:41,950 --> 02:34:39,409
his in bei inventions in his own mind

3348
02:34:45,429 --> 02:34:41,960
with all his moving parts and you know

3349
02:34:47,830 --> 02:34:45,439
put those machines starting to knock

3350
02:34:50,319 --> 02:34:47,840
them up and see how they will work under

3351
02:34:51,939 --> 02:34:50,329
a given amount of time and that's you

3352
02:34:53,889 --> 02:34:51,949
know something that I don't think can be

3353
02:34:55,630 --> 02:34:53,899
explained away Jo like yeah well you

3354
02:34:57,809 --> 02:34:55,640
know the brain is a wonderful thing I

3355
02:35:01,960 --> 02:34:57,819
think that maybe these guys are able to

3356
02:35:06,219 --> 02:35:01,970
tap in into a different channel of

3357
02:35:07,929 --> 02:35:06,229
information interesting yeah well the

3358
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:07,939
brain is an amazing thing I mean think

3359
02:35:12,910 --> 02:35:10,010
about it just just think how you dream

3360
02:35:15,819 --> 02:35:12,920
you can dream in full Technicolor

3361
02:35:18,700 --> 02:35:15,829
it's things you've never even imagined

3362
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:18,710
before yep perfectly moving perfectly

3363
02:35:22,180 --> 02:35:21,050
functional in very very very vivid

3364
02:35:23,710 --> 02:35:22,190
detail and

3365
02:35:27,160 --> 02:35:23,720
that's obviously coming out of your

3366
02:35:29,200 --> 02:35:27,170
brain so it's certainly possible that if

3367
02:35:31,330 --> 02:35:29,210
a person has the right sort of talent

3368
02:35:35,350 --> 02:35:31,340
for it that they could visualize very

3369
02:35:39,011 --> 02:35:35,360
complex things complex I mean this guy

3370
02:35:42,940 --> 02:35:39,021
say described it to be able to ambition

3371
02:35:44,650 --> 02:35:42,950
whole spacecraft up to the last rivet

3372
02:35:46,511 --> 02:35:44,660
and cable

3373
02:35:48,310 --> 02:35:46,521
yeah I imagine he'd probably be

3374
02:35:50,381 --> 02:35:48,320
envisioning it in sections that he could

3375
02:35:52,780 --> 02:35:50,391
sort of zoom in on with his mind you

3376
02:35:55,180 --> 02:35:52,790
know once you have got one section down

3377
02:35:56,740 --> 02:35:55,190
then you can move on to the next section

3378
02:35:59,801 --> 02:35:56,750
and there's only a limited number of

3379
02:36:01,780 --> 02:35:59,811
arts so over time if you've got that

3380
02:36:04,330 --> 02:36:01,790
kind of have a mind I could see how it

3381
02:36:09,131 --> 02:36:04,340
could be possible he also says that he

3382
02:36:12,551 --> 02:36:09,141
was able to see or reimagine his

3383
02:36:16,150 --> 02:36:12,561
conception or his birth and how when he

3384
02:36:19,690 --> 02:36:16,160
was you know he was adopted and when he

3385
02:36:22,360 --> 02:36:19,700
lost the lot connection between himself

3386
02:36:24,761 --> 02:36:22,370
and his parents you know was severed

3387
02:36:26,830 --> 02:36:24,771
when they decided to give him up for

3388
02:36:29,710 --> 02:36:26,840
adoption yeah so we had the you know the

3389
02:36:32,110 --> 02:36:29,720
classical musicians they could envision

3390
02:36:35,290 --> 02:36:32,120
and hear entire symphonies in their Maya

3391
02:36:37,210 --> 02:36:35,300
and write it out so yeah that the mind

3392
02:36:40,390 --> 02:36:37,220
is an amazing thing and I think you're

3393
02:36:42,131 --> 02:36:40,400
onto something with that Miguel so red

3394
02:36:44,440 --> 02:36:42,141
pill junky if people want to find out

3395
02:36:46,810 --> 02:36:44,450
more the things you do is there a site

3396
02:36:49,960 --> 02:36:46,820
or two they can check out sure you know

3397
02:36:51,730 --> 02:36:49,970
there's the daily Grail where I'm still

3398
02:36:54,820 --> 02:36:51,740
contributing it's you know I still

3399
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:54,830
consider it my main home on the internet

3400
02:37:02,051 --> 02:36:59,680
wwww Grail com I also contributed

3401
02:37:04,660 --> 02:37:02,061
semi-regularly on mysterious universe

3402
02:37:08,290 --> 02:37:04,670
mysterious universe dot org I'm also a

3403
02:37:10,390 --> 02:37:08,300
frequent guest on podcast live where did

3404
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:10,400
the road go you know the round tables

3405
02:37:16,810 --> 02:37:13,040
that's right organizes and I also have

3406
02:37:18,460 --> 02:37:16,820
my own website absurd by design comm

3407
02:37:21,430 --> 02:37:18,470
which is kind of like the place in which

3408
02:37:23,350 --> 02:37:21,440
I do some of the things that I come up

3409
02:37:26,320 --> 02:37:23,360
with that you know has no other place

3410
02:37:28,690 --> 02:37:26,330
which I can put them on and including

3411
02:37:32,020 --> 02:37:28,700
you know the science that I create for

3412
02:37:35,051 --> 02:37:32,030
t-shirts that I'm trying to sell on the

3413
02:37:35,530 --> 02:37:35,061
online Zazzle store you know if you are

3414
02:37:41,469 --> 02:37:35,540
in

3415
02:37:43,210 --> 02:37:41,479
Mothman and aliens and Sasquatch you

3416
02:37:46,480 --> 02:37:43,220
know you know you might want to check

3417
02:37:49,990 --> 02:37:46,490
them out he also helped design infected

3418
02:37:52,710 --> 02:37:50,000
all the design for the official podcast

3419
02:37:55,769 --> 02:37:52,720
channel on YouTube for which we are

3420
02:37:58,450 --> 02:37:55,779
highly grateful you can find us on

3421
02:38:01,660 --> 02:37:58,460
Twitter if you look for the para cast we

3422
02:38:05,080 --> 02:38:01,670
have two official para cast fan clubs on

3423
02:38:08,290 --> 02:38:05,090
Facebook we also have after the power

3424
02:38:10,210 --> 02:38:08,300
cast and the version of the show free of

3425
02:38:12,730 --> 02:38:10,220
the network ads if you subscribe to the

3426
02:38:15,099 --> 02:38:12,740
para cast plus for more information go

3427
02:38:18,250 --> 02:38:15,109
to plus that the power cast come plus

3428
02:38:21,250 --> 02:38:18,260
dot the para cast come J Randall Murphy

3429
02:38:24,340 --> 02:38:21,260
thanks for pinching in here as our guest

3430
02:38:26,650 --> 02:38:24,350
co-host that was a pleasure it's always

3431
02:38:29,980 --> 02:38:26,660
good to be on the show and it's went by

3432
02:38:33,099 --> 02:38:29,990
just in a flash and of course red pill

3433
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:33,109
junky thank you for being a terrific

3434
02:38:41,810 --> 02:38:36,010
guest as always this was a delightful

3435
02:38:41,820 --> 02:38:54,040
[Music]

3436
02:39:00,440 --> 02:38:57,560
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3437
02:39:03,460 --> 02:39:00,450
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3438
02:39:07,370 --> 02:39:03,470
presentation of making the impossible